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superposition -> bludgeon (8/2/2013 16:20:27)

is it just me or is bludgeon far more powerful than any other skill of its kind?

it does 23% extra damage for 10 energy at lvl 1, that just seems ridiculously cheap cost for such a powerful attack. comparing it to double strike on merc or tlm despite the cool down difference bludgeon is the more powerful skill by far. dbl strike at lvl 1 does 15% extra damage for 15% energy, the meteor core does 10% more damage for 0 energy, dbl strike is effectively useless as a skill while bludgeon is deadly no matter what lvl. dbl strike and bludgeon also scale the same, for each lvl of the skill it increases by 3% damage and 2 energy, making it the easiest to compare bludgeon to. but dbl strike has the highest dmg to cost ratio when maxed while bludgeon has its peak when at lvl 1.
the cost and damage difference when bludgeon and dbl strike are at the same lvl is always a difference of 5 energy and 8% always in favor of bludgeon, i realize that dbl strike is a tier 1 skill and has a cool down of 1 turn but i still feel that bludgeon is far more powerful, on tm and especially on bm.

comparing the damage of bludgeon to berzerker, at lvl 1 berzerker costs 27 energy for 35% more dmg a cool down of 2 turns and a warm up of 1 turn by the time bludgeon costs any where near that much its doing 50% more dmg. berzerker is at its highest cost to dmg ratio when at higher lvls because it improves 5% and 2 energy with each lvl, by which time it costs to much and your build becomes unstable. it is also 3easily countered by energy drain skills and cores. bludgeon on tm does very high dmg for very little cost despite tm having up to 2 energy regen skills, however bludgeon does not play to the tm's malfunction which needs energy attacks to be effective. on bm bludgeon helps them regen health faster and its low cost allows it to be used more than once or used with other skills like field medic. even with the differences between them bludgeon is still the better skill.

massacre is another % baced skill that has the same flaws as berzerker except amplified, higher warm up, higher cost, higher dmg per lvl gain, though it does have a base dmg of 20 and its unavoidable, but because it cost so much and cant be used until the fourth turn it isnt used much these days. bludgeon is better because it has a much better dmg to cost ratio on all lvls and by having high dex its chance to be blocked is lowered, though thats true for the other skills ive mentioned.

bludgeon was also nerfed the least of any skill ive mentioned at the early days of omega, by 5% it was, mass was 20%, berzerker was 10%, and dbl strike was 8%

thus i have stated why bludgeon is more powerful than the other similar skills to it

i suggest that increasing the cost by about 5 energy, also dbl strike might need its cost to be lowered by 5 or so




GearzHeadz -> RE: bludgeon (8/2/2013 16:23:56)

I've felt this way for a long time as well. I feel it should cost somewhat more energy.




ED Divine Darkness -> RE: bludgeon (8/2/2013 16:30:23)

ive felt this for ages. nerf the % and give bm zerker so they arent as energy efficient.




lionblades -> RE: bludgeon (8/2/2013 16:37:51)

imo its too strong for so little energy
make it cost more energy




ED Divine Darkness -> RE: bludgeon (8/2/2013 16:42:16)

if u give em(bm) zerker they get less damage for the same ammount of energy. max bludgeon cost 1 more energy than 1 zerker but is 15% stronger. give em zerker. or give em something like cheapshot but weaker. so they need a staff, and it does weaker damage than cheapshot. also, make it cost 5 more energy than cheapshot.




Queen brutella -> RE: bludgeon (8/3/2013 19:13:27)

I personally believe bludgeon is a very cheap but a unlucky skill. My reasons for why I think bludgeon can be ultra cheap is because the damage it causes. Forcing us too use heal a numerous amount of times. So there is a chance our opponent has the upper hand.Despite bludgeon making a real impact in pvp, I also believe its really unlucky due to the fact there are so many chances that you shall block. For instance when you are smoked majority of your strikes/bot maybe blocked and bludgeon is a striking move. In addition to I think bludgeon plays a big part in nowadays build and it being blocked just ruins the vibe. So in my opinion bludgeon shouldn't be blocked! Also I agree that it should cost more energy.




ED Divine Darkness -> RE: bludgeon (8/3/2013 19:16:37)

unblockable= op str spam builds.

also, it being blockable is fine. block = rage. rage = gg

also it wont be blocked. most bms go high dex.




santonik -> RE: bludgeon (8/3/2013 20:04:01)

I think that with 23% 1lvl skill is just too much.
After all, it costs only 10 energy.


I can see two good options for this balance due.
The more expensive or much less effective bludgeon Damage. The different aspect of either bloodmage players want and what the other wants.

In fact, I would take off the Damage by 5% and would raise energy consumption by 5
Even after this bludgeon would be a hard blow.

I read everything from here page.




CN2025 -> RE: bludgeon (8/4/2013 2:38:14)

rememmber back in delta or gamma i cant remember when bm had zerker it was far mroe op then bludgeon str bm

all you have to do is get the energy cost a lil higher not giving them back even more power then they already have




Mother1 -> RE: bludgeon (8/4/2013 2:50:02)

@ Cn2025

The new classes didn't come out until delta so it was in early delta that blood mage had berzerker. They took it away from them and replaced it with bludgeon when someone discovered strength blood mage and the masses began turning into strength blood mage since it was able to destroy just about all builds. This was an attempt to nerf the class but it didn't nerf them well enough.




CN2025 -> RE: bludgeon (8/4/2013 2:56:27)

bludgeon isn't a problem on tm but it is for bm thx to the blood lust




CivilAE -> RE: bludgeon (8/4/2013 3:34:37)

Energy consumption increase I would think would fix this problem, Didn't really have much problems with strength BM in early delta, but I mean that might only be do to the fact that Im a cyber and static was really powerful.[:-]




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