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DarkLore -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 17:55:52)

Oh. LOL! My bad! Anyone as psyched as me to save this thing Friday?



Mr G W -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 17:59:49)

i farmed for level 60, 70 and i have the essences for level 80. That's right: 56 essences total.

Didn't take that long actually. You can easily get that within 6 hours assuming each quest takes 2 minutes (they actually are done faster than that anyway)



Lord GrimDusk -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:04:42)

I'm level 36 though... you understand my problem.



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:10:51)

DMK may make the game too easy, But that's how I gathered my resources.



Dracojan -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:23:41)

Ash, should i still have any hopes about dark rite being 3 turns?



Mr G W -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:28:14)

Can't wait to be able to actually save this thing. Deathknight was my main class for a long time before it got too outdated.

Doomknight/Riftwalker are getting way too boring except for farming. Might actually re-do all the quests with this class.

2 more days to go...



The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:43:22)

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4. Unholy Shadow
Multi
Evil Element
150% damage to all foes


Would it be possible to either buff the damage, or increase its crit rate?

With each of the recent classes, multis deal between 120 and 140 (150 for Paladin against undead), none of them are element locked.
Against an elemental enemy with even -30, a 120% multi becomes effectively 156% damage.

Now, this might not sound like a lot, but when an (average) 140 goes against a -30, it soars to 182.
With an evil-locked 150%, you're only ever going to get 150% damage against an enemy.

Granted, DK is better than most other classes in multi battles against no-weakness enemies, but there are far more multi fights with elemental weaknesses than there are not.

Maybe just a +20 to crit? [:)]



Ash -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 18:56:52)

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Ash, should i still have any hopes about dark rite being 3 turns?

It's not meant to be "bursty" so most likely not.

The ErosionSeeker - Or I can hand wave it as "look over there! It's doing Evil damage! No, it's not Light that'd be silly...it's umm...EVIL Light..." and just remove the element lock.



The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:18:05)

Swords of Eternity can deal darkness element so I guess that is just black light :e
I thought it was pretty weird that both Necro and Pally don't have locked multis, but DK did.

Granted, Rogue and Warrior used to, but those also changed for balance rather than flavor.

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Light is not always good, so I guess your solution works just as well.:L



Mr G W -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:24:06)

Could be said that DK has one of the worst multi attacks in game simply due to the element lock.



MaxDra -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:35:25)

So far I've kinda liked the passive DoT and HoT, great for a tiny damage boost for boss battles on ExtremeMode.

The multi is still element lock as long as I dont hit mobs with Darkness :) i should be fine.

Dark Rite 3 turns ? reasonable but could be buff just a tiny bit more not to overpower it



Ash -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:36:43)

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Could be said that DK has one of the worst multi attacks in game simply due to the element lock.

That wasn't brought up before so I'll note that it obviously wasn't. If it was that bad someone would have mentioned it before now since you all started to pick at it two days ago. :P



MaxDra -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:38:47)

So far ive love the DoT and HoT, going against bosses on extreme mode :) gives a little dmg boost

Dark rite 3 turns ? Reasonable but could use abit buff just a tiny bit not to be overpowered though

Multi still locks on darkness element as long as i dont hit any mobs resisting to it, cant it be changed to the element say... EBIL !! ??



Faerdin -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:49:19)

I feel like saying Unholy Shadow is the worst Multi in the game is a stretch. It didn't really strike me as being better or worse than any other Multi, and I don't really feel like Death Knight is about the multi-target aspect in the first place. Not to mention that being Evil locked means that -- while you cannot take advantage of Resistances -- your Multi will only be less effective against an opponent that has All Resistance.

Yeah, Death Knight's Multi isn't really the best. But does it need to be?



The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:53:57)

I think people were just waiting to see the exact amount of damage that Shadow dealt.
If it was say, 200%, then the need for it to be element locked would be completely justified as 200 would ensure being strong against most things, but always equally strong against everything.

Probably the worst multi in the game is Ninja or Pirate because they hit for 100% metal.



Mr G W -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 19:55:03)

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That wasn't brought up before so I'll note that it obviously wasn't. If it was that bad someone would have mentioned it before now since you all started to pick at it two days ago. :P


Well most multi attacks you can choose the element which means you do more damage.

quote:

I feel like saying Unholy Shadow is the worst Multi in the game is a stretch


Never said it was THE worst, but it is severely limited

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That being said, all classes aren't supposed to be equal after all. This could be one of DK's weaker points. Better a locked multi than no multi at all.

There are other classes with element locked multi attacks such as kathool with a 200% water locked multi and dragonlord with a 100% energy locked multi.



Dracojan -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 20:03:12)

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It's not meant to be "bursty" so most likely not.
ok, i will still have a tiny bit of hope that you may reconsider. :D



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 20:04:37)

On the other hand it being locked helps if you're using the full set. You'd want that extra damage. But if you are fight darkness resistant monsters that Multi helps!



Faerdin -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 20:17:35)

@Mr G W: Unholy Shadow is definitely better than Energy Dragon Spirit since its damage is higher and little to no enemies are strong against its Element.

Tidal Wave is debatable since its Element is common enough to have Resistance against, but has raised base damage.

Unholy Shadow is indeed limited, but I would not be hasty to make such a comparison. It does its job well enough.



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/1/2014 20:38:34)

A slight damage buff to unholy shadow would help it greatly. Who agrees?



crabpeople -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/2/2014 1:04:23)

I kinda prefer a 2 turns unholy cd rather than a damage buff. In most normal multiple battles, you're going to kill everything if you crit (except the main target).
I would like to request a 1 or 2 turn cooldown reduction in garb because I'm finding that the defensive aspect of the class is a bit worse than the offensive.



Faerdin -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/2/2014 1:24:37)

Garb already provides four turns of protection, right? A shorter cooldown means that you would be shielded for the whole half of an entire battle.



crabpeople -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/2/2014 1:46:23)

are you sure? Because when I use it I always get 2 turns. 2 turns of protection and 9 of cooldown. If it was 4/9 as you say I'm ok with it.



megakyle777 -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/2/2014 2:20:28)

I admittidly don't know about this stuff, but wouldn't the Multi get a buff to damage for being element locked? In that case being locked to evil is not that bad since you sacrifice the elemental resist for more damage.



Mr G W -> RE: =DF= DeathKnight Discussion Thread (10/2/2014 2:58:08)

I find it amusing that Fear and Curse damage were some of the rarest seen elements (only be found on Mana elementals and on colored tog pets) are now common due to the necromancer and deathknight classes



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