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Dual Thrusters -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/13/2013 2:12:09)

@CN

Val currently believes that these "Zombie Mages" don't count.



DarkDevil -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/13/2013 4:33:17)

actually i would say that defence debuffers (bounty and tech mage and cyber) are the best using focus 5 builds because they needs some of every stat to get high power but the difference is that both techmage and cyber would have high support after reaching their focus 5 but bounty would rather go on str to increase mele hits power because smoke increases hit chance.

other classes actually lack power when using them , maybe blood mage due to his bloodlust but due to the amount of nukes he got a focus 5 will be lacking power , while mercs don't really fit focus 5 you would rather see a full offensive build with high support getting rage in 2 turns better than a focus 5 merc , also with the tact merc usually goes tank not getting enough of stats to get focus 5 rather having to sacrifise one of support or str to make the other as strong as other classes while keeping their defense .



ValkyrieKnight -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/13/2013 16:31:08)

It's not that I exclude "Zombie Mages" because I said TM works well with Azreal abuse, its just that BMs hardly ever use it. If BMs have it its simply because who doesn't want the Azreal Gun? If you're going to make a case for BMs using Azreal Aux then you can say the same for all classes. From personal experience I can beat most brain dead BMs if they don't have that cursed Chairman's Fury which most do.

Edit : This build has been good to me for sometime now, its my official BM build. http://prntscr.com/1l2o8g



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/13/2013 23:36:23)

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You won't make it on the LB with a level 5 focus build mate FACT! the only class I don't doubt is Bounty Hunter and Blood Mage on level 5 focus


Is possible. Back in Delta someone with a TLM focus build had a 98% win rate and made it first on LB, even though their build was slow. It was because they literally never lost. Also, strength or advantages =/= LB. Those builds that are on the LB are only there because they're fast wins and fast losses. Even if the person loses it's fast and they can go to the next fight quickly.

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Since 5 focus build exist it has been the strongest build and it always will be this way, being slow is the price to pay to win better and the best way to do this is 5 focus, it s a fact.


Some tank builds have actually been stronger in focus history in terms of win rate, and sometimes even speed at winning too. But when focus first came out the +5 damage on each hit stacked with blood lust was just ridiculous, although that's beside the point. 5 focus isn't necessarily going to get you a higher win rate compared to faster, 4-5 turn builds. The fast glass cannon builds on the LB have around 75% win rate? I don't know cause I haven't played one recently (like, in 6 months recently), but lots of players who are only decent with focus builds and not strong like some veteran and experienced players barely manage to get 75%. Slower isn't always better in terms of win rate. Slower just lessens luck factors and severity of luck.



midnight assassin -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/14/2013 21:34:03)

Base on my experience as a bh, I tried 5 focus but I'm only having problems with glass cannon mage only because of the azrael aux and blood mages because of the synergy of intimidate and rb.



Scyze -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/15/2013 4:45:08)

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High HP is Dominating like Tech Mage and Blood Mage and Tanking isn't working against them the only counter is another high Strength or Support build.
I would like to say that this is false. It highly depends on the Class if it's possible to beat them with a 5 Focus build. I manage to beat the Glass Cannon builds easily. You need to make your own strategy for different builds after your previous experiences with them.

What you really need to make a build good is practice. Think of what you're going to do with each build and how you could beat them. Have battles where you only try to get practice.


Out of the 35 battles I had yesterday, I managed to win 33. It's a great win ratio for Omega (IMO) and the percentage was 94.30. What build was I using? A 5 Focus tank build. [;)]

It doesn't matter if you make it to the leaderboard or not. When you want to appear there is when you want to win the Achievement.



Sensei Chan -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/15/2013 6:58:52)

What Class are you Scyze?



Warmaker04 -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/15/2013 7:19:17)

Well i`m an Mercenary, and i`m having a 70% winning rate in 2vs2 with 5 focus build... everything depends on ur partner... But in 1vs1, my win rate is 20% no offence.... cause BMs and BHs.... Mercenaries are Underpowered against BHs... First BHs has two powerful shields, poisons shadow art ... The only thing i dont find OP at the BH is the stun grenade and the massarce atm.... thats it... BM = Too OP against mercs also...

The only mercs mostly which can beat a 95 HP BH with smoke, block core shadow art and 5 focus build, and a BM with 95 HP with like 80-90 str , must be
1 ) lucky or
2 ) with varium promos ( azrael gun and aux )
No offense but thats the truth...
And now do not start with strategy... because every strategy requires a luck that most of us people doesn`t have. like luck factors.

Bring back the buff to the focus build where we could make
25-30+30
instead
14-18+15+ ( 20 )


1 ) Or scyze you probably got the 33 wins out of 35 because you had the luck to NOT fight BM or BH...,
2 ) You fought mostly lowers lvls than 35
3 ) You had a lot of luck factors in some fights..
4 ) you had OP varium promos which free players dont have


Very simple..



Scyze -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/15/2013 7:27:21)

@Sensei Chan,
My Class is Mercenary, you could have clicked on my character page link.



DarkDevil -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/15/2013 9:12:13)

bringing back the old state of OP bots wil rather bring back the bot spamers which none likes , a focus 5 will have 10-12 damage with +35 weapon while with some tech could make his bot up to 16-18 with +20 focus which is at least 53 damage while weapons will be like 46 damage making bot 7 damage stronger than attack which makes you able to put all other points in protection making you a fighting tool especially with skills that rely on dex or tech like bunker or smoke or plasma canon or bolt which is the advantage focus 5 have.



Lycan. -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 11:35:58)

I hate the fact that you have to spam tech to get decent robot damage.



DarkDevil -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 12:36:07)

increasing the damage per tech will cause tech spamers (mostly mages) to be able to get near power to focus 4 builds but with 40+ resistance.



Sensei Chan -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 14:29:56)

That's so false.



Predator9657 -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 19:59:41)

It's not.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 20:10:33)

Robots aren't supposed to be very effective damage wise. You must rely on your build to win.

These guys are really just a sidearm and a core combined. Nothing like a nuke.



CN2025 -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 20:20:08)

its a unique battle gear each one has its own ability



Mother1 -> RE: Level 5 Focus Extremely Weak Right Now (8/16/2013 20:24:40)

@ Cn2025

Not all of them have unique abilities.

The botantical hazards ability already existed with 3 classes, and the Azreal's borg's unique ability is no longer that since the new azreal's promo came out with the aux that does the same thing.



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