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crabpeople -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:23:05)

Another revamp yay!!!! Well I gotta mess around with this class before I praise/complain about it [:D].

I'll just leave you this (no pun intended):

Thyton: "We shall bring the logs you desire to Valencia. After one months time she will bring them to you"

Edit: I like how pirate still has the steal skill from the rogue branch. I remember being a new player and stacking tons of potions (although the intention was getting some extra gold for the doom weapons).

Edit 2: Now I think about it... Maybe Valencia is the real troll XD.

Edit 3: When are you going to deliver the skill breakdown Ash? Monday?



ninnin90 -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:30:33)

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The class won't get a passive since Ninja didn't get one

Fair enough, I also was not aware that 'Backstab' hit on each individual miss, that actually makes it really strong in my opinion, strong enough that I'm not sure I would want it replaced with a party buff..
If any skill were to be removed for something like that, maybe I would remove the 'Pistol' skill since the class doesn't really have any mechanics that synergize with DoTs and 'Fury' doesn't seem to buff it's DoT?

Edit: Maybe the 'Pistol' skill would be better if other skills like 'Plank', 'Avast!', or 'Target' had the secondary effects of buffing the DoT of 'Pistol' a little bit, like you can hit a more vital point since the enemy is distracted/off balance/your aim is better?




The ErosionSeeker -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:35:50)

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I can look into making it buff guests instead and totally remove the reflect effect. Pet's I'm honestly not sure of mainly because they're setup in a weird self-contained way that may cause issues if I poke too much.


For the party buff, couldn't it just add like 9001 CHA or something?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯



EDIT: 9001 was the joke. A more reasonable number would probably be around double your level or something.



Frost Moglin -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:37:14)

To get both guests and pets affected, wouldn't a CHA boost work pretty well if it's possible?
@ErosionSeeker: 9001 CHA boost would make Pirate THE most powerful class. EVER. Except mayby Dragonrider.



god of chaos -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:39:01)

@TheErosionSeeker: With the new CHA mechanics you do realize that would be insane(ly satisfying) right?



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 18:59:27)

Hey Ash. Are we getting matching pirate gear in a shop like ninja did? All the pirate gear is outdated.



The Jop -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:01:01)

Eventually, but ninjas won the war so they get it first.



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:02:43)

Ninja already got their gear a month or two ago actually.



Ash -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:03:51)

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For the party buff, couldn't it just add like 9001 CHA or something?

Cha only affects damage. I'd want to make it all encompassing with something like a BtH increase along with a possible Crit chance increase. Something that would be of maximum benefit for anyone to use but better for Cha users as it's a benefit on top of the straight damage.

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Hey Ash. Are we getting matching pirate gear in a shop like ninja did? All the pirate gear is outdated.

I'll have a weapon or two ready for when this goes live and I'll see about getting a cape and helm that matches done as well. No promises since only the weapon is really normal for these but I'll see what I can quickly pull together.



GreenGuy23 -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:04:36)

Is the revamp preview supposed to not have skills avilable if you didn't train the original? Cuz I only have access to Attack! and it's kinda aggravating cuz I wanted to test it :/



Ash -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:06:35)

Yes, it's to give you a feel between the old and the new so you can flip back and forth if you want and see what changed. It's also a way for people who had the original trained to let me know if they thought a better version of an older skill would have been more appropriate, like how I buffed up Plunder to always work.



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:07:00)

Just do what you did with ninja. Bring back the old talk like a pirate day hats. I hate the fact that dread pirate mask was gone before I knew it. Plus we need higher tiers.



Andyrew -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 19:56:42)

The revamp has made the class a lot better and the skills make it quite a strong class going up against stronger enemies.

seems pretty fun to use.



Puma -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 22:06:23)

Only have the left side so far (god bless those 18 room Cleaning House runs), but the right side looks to be promising. This might be my new warring class. Honestly pretty fun to use.



The Jop -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 22:07:35)

@Darklore
Yeah, I know, I'm just saying they get it first.



Branl -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 22:18:22)

So the Pirate class will basically be a beastmaster supporter class?
...Me likey.
On the other hand I wish we could boost our pet's BTH. Granted the Cat pets and the Undead ChickenCow (Which I was lucky enough to pick up the level 60 version for) still do insane amounts of damage, I just wish they were a bit more accurate.



Ash -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 22:34:44)

Kind of off topic but that's part of the item update when I get to pets. They'll have level appropriate BtH.

As for making it a beastmaster class....not really sure on doing that yet, especially if it's only based on one skill. I'm waiting on a few more opinions before I start changing skills around too much. Beastmaster would be more fitting for like a Druid or..you know...an actual BeastMaster class though. (That's not confirmation that those are coming, that's me pointing out what class would be more appropriate for that if they were ever made. No plans atm)



Branl -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 22:46:00)

@Ash I know this is off topic as well, but is there any chance the Undead ChickenCow can be upgradable to level 80 via the black market?
And that's fine, but as the game is right now having a dedicated Beastmaster class will take tons of work, given that there are no Beastmaster Npcs and the class doesn't exist in any shape or form.
I meant a Beastermaster supporter class more as to give nice little bonuses to players with that build, not the class being only based around that build.



Neliux -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/21/2015 23:19:13)

This class is.. a lot of fun actually, I'm currently enjoying using it quite a bit, I have no complaints whatsoever, it achieves what it sets out to do.



Azan -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 10:16:57)

It's really fun to use! [:)] I probably won't use it often for RP reasons, but it's quite an enjoyable class.

What I love most is the Plunder skill. Looks like you can buff your potions up to 4 HP and 4 MP (after that I didn't get potions anymore, only gold and stolen parts of armor). That's fun since it allows us to farm for potions in Sneevil Treefort or something like that, then switch classes and go do a really challenging quest/boss that requires lots of healing. Since, y'know, with the WIS nerf, mana potions are not that helpful anymore, it's good to have 4 of them instead of just 2.

The Backstab/Shield/Parrot combination really gives you great damage and great defence at the same time. I'm not sure Backstab should be changed to a Beastmaster skill, better to save that kind of skill for an actual Beastmaster-themed class if it ever comes to life.



crabpeople -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 10:27:53)

Well I tested it out a little bit. The class is fun and his animations are smooth like the ninja class. The playstyle feels like a combination of technomancer and ninja to me. I still have to run more tests and see the skill damage values. But I have to state a couple of things I didn't like at the moment.

-The class has problems with cooldowns. Seriously. You'll find yourself with little options at battles that take 10 turns or more. Maybe a rewind skill like technomancer would be a little overpowered but the cooldowns need a serious look.

-While the class has good burst damage making it strong at short battles (+boost skill, crit and cannon). It falls short at mid-long battles because it has no other damage skills. Only effect ones. It would be good to have a spamable damage skill to synergize with his powerboost skill. Like technomancer that has the +30 boost skill and mana grenades (while it has a medium cd, it can be rewinded). Also I feel that the crit skill is very weak and has a high cooldown compared to other t2 classes. I think it's a 300% skill if I'm not wrong and I think it should be atleast as strong as ninja crit (a bit more because I think pirate is more offensive oriented).

Edit. I'm with Azan, I don't see pirate being a good beastmaster class compared to ninja or techno. So I'm against the idea of changing a skill for a BM "friendly" skill.



Branl -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 10:28:34)

@Azan
It wouldn't be a Beastmaster skill though. It would be a skill that has the extra effect of giving a bonus to pets.

@CrabPeople Yeah, you're definitely right about that, I was a bit shocked when I was testing the armor in Voltabolt's challenge and I found myself with only Multi to use at times.



Ash -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 10:52:46)

The crit skill is exactly the same as Ninja's damage wise but I can mess with it a bit since there may be rounding errors dropping the damage. The cooldown is also the same as Ninja's since it's doing the same damage (Once I check to make sure it's rounding properly) so I'm not messing with that one.

I'll look at fiddling with some of the other cooldowns to see about keeping a few skills up. I might take the DoT off of Pistol and make that the class' "spam" skill instead since as someone mentioned a DoT might not mesh well with the other effects.



DarkLore -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 11:04:40)

Hey Ash. Any chance of us getting higher tiers of Dread Pirate Mask? Seems wrong the class doesn't have a non-rare variant.



Ash -> RE: =DF= Pirate/Dread Pirate Armor Discussion Thread (3/22/2015 11:06:36)

When I get to the point where I'm making the items I'll see. I'm still on getting the skills adjusted at the moment.



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