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Cyber Dream -> True way to achieve balance (9/29/2013 22:03:38)

Instead of just nerfing, we should start buffing just as much as we nerf but not to the extent where we only have 2-3 round battles. We can relate this to a real life scale, on one side we have a nerfed build and on the other side we have a build that isnt that effective. The more we nerf the stronger the noneffective build we become and it will rise up causing us to be in the same situation we were in before. BUT, if we keep throwing in little buffs along with the nerfs then it would balance out.



I think this is the logic to bring into effect and we MUST consider looking into after the war is over.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/29/2013 23:15:58)

there should be no equilibrium of changes, only equilibrium of current state. This means that because we nerf something, we shouldn't have to buff something else, and that we should only buff/nerf those things that are overpowered/underpowered.



Midnightsoul -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 1:48:32)

True way = probably many ways



Cyber Dream -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 5:25:27)

@Penguin
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that we should only buff/nerf those things that are overpowered/underpowered.



Well everytime we nerf a build a underpowered build basically gets buffed. So this is kinda already happening



Wootz -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 9:38:10)

Decrease the players ability to tank and everything would be fine. :p
Because of long duels people have to die in like 98% of the battles is the reason for quitting the game and not having fun. Fast paced ftw!



Dual Thrusters -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 9:38:10)

There are more than 40 skills in the game, not counting cores. So if one is overpowered, we buff the other 39?

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ND Mallet -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 9:43:09)

If anything we need to nerf more so battles last longer and luck has less an effect on the outcome of a battle



Predator9657 -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 9:52:15)

^ Or give HP a big fat buff.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 20:17:26)

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Well everytime we nerf a build a underpowered build basically gets buffed. So this is kinda already happening


Because with Omega's changes it is much, much harder to balance things out with a simple buff/nerf. They staff basically made it more difficult by reducing the HP and overall stat point and damage scale, which leads to extreme cases where even a minor buff and overbuff, and a minor nerf can overnerf something.



toopygoo -> RE: True way to achieve balance (9/30/2013 20:51:23)

indeed. i agree with E.P. on this. the fact that omega provides such an extremist style of freedom in stat dispersion is why there is an easy imbalance between all classes. a few months ago i remember people complaining that BM was too UP, and TM was OP. now merc is UP and BM is the OP class, followed by bounty hunter.

I really wish there would be some more constraints on stat spending so such extremes are unattainable. of course this is impossible in this phase of the game, but that was why Delta fared so much better: the contraints on weapon stats (unless varium upgrades) ensured that people wouldnt often reach these inexplicable extremes.




Cyber Dream -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/1/2013 6:09:09)

I think we need to bring back an enhancement system that is better than the one we have now and more fair than the one we had in delta. We just need more stats to work with, if we had more stats then they would be more different builds. Thats the way i see it



rayniedays56 -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/1/2013 13:24:36)

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^ Or give HP a big fat buff.


I second this.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/1/2013 20:43:37)

I third this.

Maybe not "buff" HP, but increase its scale, along with maybe damage scales too.



toopygoo -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/1/2013 21:30:55)

i personally dont agree with this...
people will continute to invest in too things: strength and health. just by luck. chances of you getting blocked more times than not cannot reach 50% (unless against bounty)
same with deflections

as long as there is a 50% guarantee to hit, high enough strength with enough HP and HP regen will give them enough time to simply out-last even tanks due to rage, rage steal, pure luck, and unblockables. we should increase the minimum requirements for more skills as high as 42 like for hybrid armour, so they have to spend more on another stat to make it useful enough.


more stats would be fine, but they need more restrictions.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/1/2013 23:23:48)

Well, it's at a point where changing the scaling of a skill by 0.5 (the smallest logical amount) is still either too much or too little. Increasing the HP scale in general and damage outputs of all attacks including skills, auxiliary, bots, etc... would make these tiny changes easier to balance.



kosmo -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/2/2013 9:09:50)

yes a little buff to hp it will healp us;
something like 0.4 or 0.5 more, that would be 2 points for 3 hp, probably this would solve some defensive issues, but im not sure so a several testing would be needed.



Cyber Dream -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/2/2013 16:19:55)

I think hp should go back to the way it was in delta.



toopygoo -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/2/2013 18:05:14)

well then we'd see some 25 strength builds with 150 hp. perhaps if they also re-instated the old agility stat, we'd get less strength builds. i'd like to see Agility returned ot the game quite a bit atually. that would decrease strength HP builds.



Mother1 -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/2/2013 18:55:20)

@ Toopygoo

The staff already said they wouldn't be putting back in agility. It was a bad band aid the problem at best, and the staff already admitted this.

It is because HP and defenses got nerfed that we have all these strength builds especially strength blood mage running around. while this build isn't a problem for some others it is a thorn in their side.




toopygoo -> RE: True way to achieve balance (10/2/2013 19:06:35)

i know they did, and i dont expect them too, but it was better than nothing, allowing tanks to deal bigger proportions of damage back to them, while having a deflection/block advantage.

i know strength builds are just a build as a tank, but the make me angry. they involve no thinking or strategy, they end up getting lucky half the time anyways (uncanny block or deflection against someone with superior stats) and have "strike" as their main move after a smoke.
im not saying its ok, but for a game made so intricate with different possible combinations and synergy, the fact that the most basic of ideas IS the most effective overall demeans the value of this game for me :?
it is a personal thing, so dont think that i want to include this in balance (im off topic) but thats how i feel about strength



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