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Sensei Chan -> Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 7:59:40)

If you have all of them it's an extra +24 stats
I suggest make it +5 (+20 max instead of +24 max)
And make It Unlimited.



Ranloth -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 8:03:33)

On what grounds are they overpowered? You get +6 per each category, and they do not stack on the same stat. IF you have all of them, you cannot have other cores.

They give you often +1 more damage/defence, so there's nothing overpowered about that. Why should it be lowered? How is it overpowered? They are consumable, and these are often minimally stronger because they are limited. Example? Meteor Shower + Titan's Cores (Bacon one).



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 8:34:40)

takes your total stats to +102 at 36 meh could be considered steep.



toopygoo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 9:49:49)

they still cant stack, and youre giving up other cores instead: additional crit, additional defence, additional block chance etc.

also, you dont have to be 36 to buy them, you can purchase them at any level, so that argument is invalid.



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 9:57:11)

what does 36 have to do with it I was simply pointing out the stat bonuses all totted up at 36.24 stat bonus sounds like nothing it needed some perspective 102 is where your at . At the end game which as you pointed out in another thread is where most people are so if their is a balance issue that would be the place to check.



toopygoo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 10:04:58)

exactly: 36 has nothing to do with it.

your implying that this makes someone OP if they are 36 and have these bonuses are you not? both your posts seemed focused on this, that higher level players are now too strong due to this.
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takes your total stats to +102 at 36 meh could be considered steep.

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24 stat bonus sounds like nothing it needed some perspective 102 is where your at . At the end game which as you pointed out in another thread is where most people are so if their is a balance issue that would be the place to check.


This would not be a place to check for any balancing issues because its not any "steeper" than any lower levels.



kosmo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 11:59:46)

im sorry but here no one can say these cores dont make the difference between winning and loosing, 24 stat points gap, this is insane, its like a revamped enanchement sistem whit the only difference tht before nonvar couldnt afford it, now no one can afford it;
lets face it: u are spending 6k or 360 var for 30 battles to be OP, this is the worst thing they could have done, and it will cause the END of this game if it doesnt get fixed.
1simple solution, make these core all for primary, so we couldnt equip more than one at the same time.



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:05:05)

I quite like my 24 extra stats on my strength bm I'm barely losing at all even against other strength BMs . even when they get the first turn . So I cant say I haven't noticed a difference. before this release I would struggle big time if they got the first turn . IF they also had azrael and used it correctly and got the first turn I was completely screwed. Now in either cases I generally win.


And yeah I don't agree with strength bms but its the only build ive found that I can destroy anything but a strength bm on till the update . Now even they die awesome . 2v2 is kinda cagey lowb partners and all but 1v1 repetitive but easy enough.

Can't beat them join them



kosmo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:25:18)

so u like to spend 360var or 6k cred for 30 battles? 1.2k var or 19k cred for 100 battles? 2.5k var or 38k cred for 200 battles? lol, keep trowing money, no matter what u cant afford it.



toopygoo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:26:15)

@ wired
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Can't beat them join them


is this how you think?
this is why we have 90% of people running the same builds over and over again....



Mother1 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:37:59)

@ Wired

That is why everyone not only uses the same overused build, but we have the masses screaming to nerf these builds when they aren't overpowered so people will stop using them and use something else.

Seriously though strength BM while it is strong isn't overpowered just overused.



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:40:53)

^ Nope but thinking otherwise is suicide lets just say since this release ive bought the new cores with credits on a strength bm

60 1v1 battles against 35s/36s 2 losses

theirs been a lot more but I'm not counting anyone below 35 their just a free win for that build not a single loss with these new stat cores I can have decent hp high strength and defence its unstoppable not using the bog standard strength bm build how I'm destroying them I improved it.

Not OP at all mother :P I agree don't nerf it I love this win %



Mother1 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:47:11)

@Wired

In order for something to be overpowered no one other than the build itself should be able to beat said class and build. If you have read the forums players including myself claimed (and some shown) that they have beaten this build without luck.

If those people can beat the class then that proves that strength blood mage at best is overused but not overpowered. We both know most of the masses just want something that will get them either fast wins or a good win percentage, and if it means diversity and variety go out the window they will do it.

Even with those cores I still managed to beat strength blood mages without a change to my build.



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:50:51)

If used correctly now more then ever it is utterly unstoppable . Like I said the average strength build isn't that good bm wise points wasted on the skill tree invested in skills that really aren't that helpful also poor stat placement and armour defence point placement change the right things.

you start winning 60/62 battles



Ranloth -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:53:21)

Perhaps it's time to change your build, instead of claiming something to be overpowered.

Overpowered means no one can beat them unless it's a very specific combination of items and/or requires very high amount of luck.



kosmo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 12:55:20)

dam its not the class, the cores are the problem as a tlm i didnt loose 1 ,but at the end i quitted 1v1 due to the huge ammount of credits to invest;
this is insane if u look at the lbs no one is even tring to do wins anymore, after tht players will complete the missions they will massevly quit.

and lol u can kill a full "enanched" bm, u just need to do the same, str bm its not even good if compared to tons of better and more luky builds



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 13:00:04)

I'm using the build with these new cores that I'm claiming to be OP . I'm using it strength BM is OP if used correctly their is no denying it . If I can win 60/62 battles against people my level and one level below I'm either the ultimate pro or the builds OP.



kosmo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 13:06:20)

u can do tht whit 4 of the existent class;
who even cares about balance when such a mistake gets introduced.



Seteriel -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 13:27:18)

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If you have all of them it's an extra +24 stats


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im sorry but here no one can say these cores dont make the difference between winning and loosing, 24 stat points gap, this is insane

How, where ?

+6 str
lets assume a fight runs 7 turns, that's +7 damage if you use only primary+gun.
For +7 damage scattered around the complete fight you give up your unblockable attack.

+6 dex/tech
this can be more significant in case of damage reduction. However, you give up other significant stats, like 4% block or 5% deflect or higher accuracy (Laser Sights/Aim Assist).

+6 support
this might increase some skills, this gives 1 damage on your aux. Assuming again an average of 7 turns, this will be +2 damage.


I don't see any overpoweredness. Sure, you can lower some stats and increase others. But you might lose Focus and other Cores in the process. I wouldm't take all 4 stat cores into items.


Regarding their charged state: i guess they are charged to test things out. I further guess a permanent version, along with other shinies, will be available once we can enter the factory :)



wireclub1990 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 13:31:27)

^ your not taking crit chance into account block chance deflect yada yada

percent based skills



Ranloth -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 13:33:31)

+6 stat difference is 1-2% in most cases.

They are Consumable cores. These can have minimally more power than unlimited. Compare Meteor Shower to the Titan's cores which has 4% more damage (or was it 5%?). I don't see anyone complaining about those.



kosmo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 14:14:23)

they can be equpped all at the same time so it 24 stats and thts OP, who cares if u can or u cant stuck them thogheter, in a good focus builld tht doesnt make much difference.



toopygoo -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 14:26:19)

Has anyone actually tried equipping all 4 at once? not just claiming it? from what ive found, they can only be equipped onto a primary. armors can take them, neither can auxes or sidearms.. ive ever seen anyone with more than one anyways.



Ranloth -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 14:28:32)

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who cares if u can or u cant stuck them thogheter

Balance does. It's +6 per stat, not +24.

Again, it's not overpowered. Do you find yourself losing 100% of the time? Did you try other builds? Did other classes also struggle? Can no one win against them unless very lucky? If the answer is "yes" for all of them, we can discuss about them being overpowered.

If you can't beat it =/= overpowered.
If no one can beat it = overpowered.

And then people wonder why balance is terrible and everything is getting nerfed - it's players ruining the balance, not the Devs. Instead of blaming them, blame yourselves if you find yourself hating ED's balance.

Lastly, you've not presented a valid argument as of to why they should be nerfed. All being said is "+24 stats is overpowered" and nothing else. How is it overpowered? Under what circumstances? Is it certain build being overpowered with them or everyone? It's been around 16 hours since the release. Adjust to the change and then raise up a point. People seem to be fine with Assimilation now, and were raging when it got buffed.



Mother1 -> RE: Tech,Support,Dex,Strength Boosts OP! (10/19/2013 14:28:41)

@Toopygoo

I have seen someone equipped all for of them at once. As for them being overpowered I don't think so. For a passive boost of 1-2 per stat depending on how their build works no.



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