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ED Divine Darkness -> BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 19:53:29)

I heard my friend say that his tester friend said they might nerf BM and merc.

video proof from a player who knows how to fight their weaknesses and try to find weaknesses of a considered OP( but not OP) build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pLk_QVGzE

and also on ImyourAfterlife's vids he beats mercs with his poison str build.

point is, BM isnt OP. just overused.

Merc isnt OP either.

Builds may be good but in the end they all have atleast one weakness or they are OP. and these builds are perfectly beatable. You make think I am biased cos i am BM, but to be honest i have just started using a str build for 2v2, not 1v1. It may be good but surgical rips wholes in my offence. also, str builds normally beat tanks. its a fact. no OP. the same way big ragesteal beats str builds. it all works out in the end. and poison beats tanks.



Mother1 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 20:05:01)

You don't have to tell me this. I use my build one I have used since delta and a good percent of the time I clobber them. The truth is that blood mage is overused.

However those who lose to them consistently (could be strength blood mage just naturally counters them, Luck factors, Etc) want the build nerfed because it keep them from winning battles, or they think by nerfing this build they can get the masses off of it so they can go back to winning.

What saddens me is that creativity is at an all time low due to people being afraid to experiment with other builds at the cost of possibly losing. It also saddens me to see many great builds weakened so much due to complaints about them being overpowered when most of them were just overused. It is rare when classes and builds are actually overpowered TBH.



lionblades -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 20:31:36)

The typical str BM is neither impossible nor extremely hard to beat; heck I beat a lot of str BM using a cool support BM build that utilizes mid-high intimidate.
and nerfing merc idk since I really dont see many mercs in 1vs1 so its not my place to say.



wireclub1990 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 21:00:43)

I only saw one strength bm in that vid clearly didn't have a clue how to use the buikld he wasted all his turns pretty much of course you beat him and ofcourse the builds weak if you don't know how to use it



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 21:42:31)

With my build, I beat the current BM build about 70% of the time. They are not OP, most builds are just not able to stand up to them.



wireclub1990 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/21/2013 21:49:26)

This is the key strength bms intimidate is kinda useless put the points in shields keep your defences decent keep your strength around 17-21 and hp 90+, shield if smoked or malfed nothing can put out more damage then you without luck you'll kill anyone unless they get lucky repeatedly. Before they can kill you . Utilise your defence enough and you can really capitilise on how op that skill tree is bloodlust with huge damage output capabilitys and decent low cost shield capabilities, one of which even gives u mana back . Even the emp tactic doesn't work without luck had it done to prove it if you get the first turn, reflex they will smoke you otherwise nything but a bh emp they r dead they've lost if they emp ur damage output is to high for them to kill u wasting a turn. b4 u kill them a bh is more problematic cos smoke lowers ur def and accuracy, however if you get the first turn you've won . Second turn gets more difficult if they take enough mana to stop reflex. if this is the case spam un blockables they will still struggle to kill u b4 you can kill them it will be close mind . Spam max dmg on them . Force them to heal or die by this point your raging and will have your gun up or meteor core . they'll be at under 10hp usually after rage, bloodlust will have took u high enough to just survive their rage without a crit on their best attack usually. At which point if you've raged meteored u ko with gun . which is how I usually end it or u strike ko if u hit . Smoke high emp bh's are the only build that has a chnc of killing me generally and honestly they need the first turn and some luck to stand a decent chance.



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 16:01:48)

for gods sake. bm isnt op. i even went CH to prove that to myself. and im starting to agree with myself. and yes wireclub, i used that strategy ages ago and beat stupid typical str bm. still not op.




ValkyrieKnight -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 21:34:23)

This discussion is over, here is the truth.



santonik -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 23:03:46)

BM dominating 1vs1. Only Tactical merc will be able to better gain per cent. I would point out that the self I play a normal mercenary.
Mercenary is really weak against bloodmage. (normally)
This does not come from the skills. But the balance of the game.



I strongly believe that the game is too much str-based attacks and skills that support the full BM. (str)
Bludgeon is one of the big things which is why bloodmage stacks up to anyone, anywhere. in particular the deadly aim of with. (+ core move)


1lvl buff can stop the attacker completely. Do not forget the bloodlust skill which always works. Together, these are a little too tough combination.
is not comfortable attack someone on top of which is the resistance of more than 50 and bloodlust.

The only win bloodmage what is luck. I'm about to have to be really lucky if you want to win bloodmage.


@ Valkyrie

Show next time well the whole picture.
That picture really does tell everything. I had the test build. I at least I'm looking for different options to win bloodmages.. I have not found a particularly good counter-suit against bloodmages.
I can win though.(normally i lose if enemy is wise or lucky or totally OP)
BUT. All the luck is involved too much if i want to win bloodmages.'s

I have not found any certain way to victory bloodmages. . Bloodmage's able to turn theory and practice as the game itself favorable. Thanks to buff: s and the debuff. and very goods passive skills. Dont forgot cores too. (i hope you understand.)


Translator is mocking my english x/ and i mocking this google traslator xD




GearzHeadz -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 23:13:22)

^I have to disagree, I can easily beat nearly all BMs as a BH. Smoke, stun grenade, gun, strike. Done.



Mother1 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 23:36:15)

@ Santonik

Blood mage as it is right now is overused. Why because people want to win, they see strength blood mage gives wins, and would rather copy build and get a decent win rate than be creative and find a new build at the expense of losing.

Also you comment about being strength BM with only luck is also incorrect. There have been several players myself included who have posted that we have beaten strength blood mages with and without luck.

If BM was truly dominating 1 vs 1 then no one would be able to beat them unless they are one. You just need to find a build that can beat them with your class.



ValkyrieKnight -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/23/2013 23:42:36)

@ Gearhead

That's because smoke is OP right now, every BH i've fought hella stacks technology which haxes smoke and grants them amazing resistance & energy grain. I find that to be broken.

@ Santonik

It was one of those generic i'ma hax tech and bunker the crap outta you Mercs which have always been easy for me to beat.

This is my current build.



Mother1 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 0:05:07)

@ Valkrieknight

Well Smoke is the only debuff that isn't powered by support on the skill trees. If it was then we would have a ton of strength support BH running around just like strength support TM.

But as for BH being overpowered I have to disagree. While the smarter one's put up a strong fight, I don't find them overpowered.



santonik -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 0:16:39)

quote:

Also you comment about being strength BM with only luck is also incorrect. There have been several players myself included who have posted that we have beaten strength blood mages with and without luck.


Can you show me what about that. And what class. And how to beat bloodmage whitout luck.
I know that some of the build are hard against certain build.



quote:

If BM was truly dominating 1 vs 1 then no one would be able to beat them unless they are one. You just need to find a build that can beat them with your class.


I have found a semi-victory of good over build. I am able to win, but I need good luck. If a player makes a wise movement, I can not win bloodmages in any way. 1 mistake confers soon as a loss.
Block, deflection, critical or rage ruining my won too often.
At times, I do not have mistake because I'm already in the a disadvantage
I play a mercenary.

I know that some of the build are hard against certain build.


quote:

If BM was truly dominating 1 vs 1 then no one would be able to beat them unless they are one. You just need to find a build that can beat them with your class.

I think they already dominate. After all, they will win more than 80% (good wise players)
No one can win more than about 80% if half of the players are one and the same class and build. These gains are dispersed bloodmages well with each other. I mean bloodmages vs bloodmages. They eat each other's win%.


Remind that my English is not perfect.



wireclub1990 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 0:57:18)

quote:

@ Gearhead

That's because smoke is OP right now, every BH i've fought hella stacks technology which haxes smoke and grants them amazing resistance & energy grain. I find that to be broken.

@ Santonik

It was one of those generic i'ma hax tech and bunker the crap outta you Mercs which have always been easy for me to beat.

This is my current build.


wow take your hp down to 90
leave energy at base
then including enhances and new cores go
84
103
76
45

skill tree
5-1-1
x-10-x
5-1-x
7-x-8

your build seems to vunerable to being blocked and way to weak defensively

Mine never loses unless they get hardcore lucky assuming its used right

in battle

primary secondary 17-21
aux 9-11
def 29-35+1
res 23-28+9

its unstoppable with the skill tree. chairmans fury helps a lot to



ReinVI -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 2:02:27)

I don't get why people have trouble with BM's my main problem in 1v1 is friggen BH's CH's and TM's cause they flat out abuse debuffs due to them not being scaled to new omega stat standards so they debuff way way WAY more than they should especially at higher levels. CH's and BH's aren't that bad cause they can't regain energy that easily but Str/Supp tm's are just broke... especially with all the unblockable moves running rampant through the game. Str Bm's are annoying and slightly abused but they aren't nearly as bad as tms sense one block can shut down a BM's attack cycle 2 blocks and you pretty much got that game unless they crit/ rage pwn you somehow. The only problem is once more all the unblockables running rampant.



Ranloth -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 6:14:34)

^ On the other hand, when you say Str/Supp TMs are too strong, I find them to be a joke instead - and yet, you don't struggle as much with Str BMs as I do. Each build has its flaws and we can see they are beatable, just with different approach.



ReinVI -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 6:48:09)

it's not that they're to strong it's that debuffs synergize way to well with the build right now due to how much debuffs actually reduce defense by. And usually even if I energy shield their deadly aim gun/ support aux or heck a high level bludgeon can still do insane amounts relatively quick even with highish defenses against those damage types.



Ranloth -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 7:00:27)

I find Energy Shield to be semi-effective. It works, but it depends on the Crits too - which are bound to happen with that Support - whilst Malf isn't that much of an issue.

Although, I've said it ages ago - along with others - that debuffs could be toned down a little, even scaling from -1 per 4 Tech/Support, to -1 per 5 Tech/Support, without any further changes.



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 12:06:53)

wow. blood mage is not op. there is even proof in many videos, it is even dying down a little because people are realising it isnt as good as people complain it is. i bet my cyber build could beat any bloodmage build, so i will find a bm and own one. i will tell you guys if i win.



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 13:35:33)

yup



wireclub1990 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 15:12:01)

show a vid with his moves level and build featured and your ch lvl build and moves.



Ranloth -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 15:18:56)

He doesn't need a video to prove it. Only because he can counter it, that doesn't make it a miracle which must be proved through various means. It's not the first time Str BMs were killed - it does happen. <.<



ReinVI -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 15:28:33)

yeah str bms are more annoying than anything else. Usually they have bad defenses and this usually means deflection/ blocks will happen more often then not... sooo yeah they can get shut down at times.



Mother1 -> RE: BM is so not OP... (10/24/2013 15:48:32)

@ reinvi

Most I fight have decent dex so they melee's have less of a chance to get blocked, while they usually lack tech and have just enough support to meet the requirement for deadly aim.

I would say that is more accurate for Strength support TM. Their biggest weaknesses are their low defenses, and high block and deflection rate. That is what cause them to lose more than anything else.



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