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edwardvulture -> Piston Punch (10/26/2013 16:15:01)

Instead of it being affected by your armor's def or res, it should scale(slowly) and grow with power on your base tech and dex to encourage tanking because so far, almost no cores improve with dex and tech.



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 16:29:46)

Then so should Generator. They are the same cores but one drains EP whilst the other gives you HP.

To the suggestion, no. It'd overpower tank builds. Being scaled with Def and Res allows everyone to take advantage of them equally, not just being useful for specific builds.



edwardvulture -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 18:38:52)

the problem is right now, there is no active core that encourages investment in dex and tech

And it is easily arguable that generator benefits tank builds more than anyone.

by the way, does anyone know how piston punch actually works?



CN2025 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 18:59:58)

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GearzHeadz -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 19:16:20)

Woah, stealing 25 energy? A core that just spits at another skill. So long assimilation!



CN2025 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 19:20:43)

yup hahah its too awesome it copied a bit of the chair mans fury animationbut it has no knock back effect of the upper cut so im happy :)



edwardvulture -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 20:50:36)

actually if it takes 25, you don't get any
nvm it gets you at least 5 back



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 20:51:59)


@trans
platinums pride *hint* *hint*( what you basically implied)



AQisFuN -> RE: Piston Punch (10/26/2013 21:08:44)

You can take 25, or you can take 5 and get 25 back!



wireclub1990 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 0:30:02)

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whilst the other gives you HP.



And/or EP



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 6:51:07)

They both give you same amount of EP back, assuming equal Resistance, hence why I've skipped it. The difference between them is one giving you HP and other draining opponent's EP.



dfo99 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 7:13:48)

this skill is very worse than generator because you almost ever hit 3 and not get rage in atack, the generator can be use to heal on give energy to you partner. i dont understand why not deal a normal hit.



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 7:18:57)

It's not worse, at all. It has different uses in different situations, and it's up to you to decide which one is more beneficial. Why not give it a normal hit? For the same reason Poison Spores don't have a normal hit and Generator not dealing damage at all - it's called balance.



dfo99 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 7:27:51)

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It's not worse, at all. It has different uses in different situations, and it's up to you to decide which one is more beneficial. Why not give it a normal hit? For the same reason Poison Spores don't have a normal hit and Generator not dealing damage at all - it's called balance.


poison spores deal damage per turn, generator can heal you partner, assimilation that is a similar deal 85% of damage and chairman's fury that is a armor core deal 100% of normal hit.



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 7:41:06)

Yes. But why can't Poison Spores deal 100% damage when used? It wouldn't be overpowered, would it? Wait, Poison has a counter which is Heal, whilst Generator/Piston Punch doesn't.

Chairman's Fury is an advanced core and it steals rage (just like SS), whilst Piston & Generator are healing cores - NOT damaging. Don't compare offensive cores to defensive cores. In the same way, why doesn't Meteor Shower force my opponent to Strike (like Azrael's Will)? Ah, yeah, one is used for pure damage and other for its effect.



dfo99 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 8:01:36)

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Yes. But why can't Poison Spores deal 100% damage when used? It wouldn't be overpowered, would it? Wait, Poison has a counter which is Heal, whilst Generator/Piston Punch doesn't.

Chairman's Fury is an advanced core and it steals rage (just like SS), whilst Piston & Generator are healing cores - NOT damaging. Don't compare offensive cores to defensive cores. In the same way, why doesn't Meteor Shower force my opponent to Strike (like Azrael's Will)? Ah, yeah, one is used for pure damage and other for its effect.


i dont say to set poison spore or pistol punch to 100% of damage, and it of offensive and defensive skill doesnot matter, what is important is how much the skill is useful, you sarcastic reply don't answer nothing



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 8:06:54)

It matters. Offensive cores are useful in different situations than defensive cores. Would you use Meteor Shower when enemy has 20 HP left and you can kill, or would you use Generatort to heal and possibly get killed next turn?

Comparing offensive cores to defensive cores is not appropriate, because they work differently to each other. Balance is to be taken seriously.



dfo99 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 8:29:52)

trans

you need stop of talk in balance using specific situations, what you say now happens only while you and the oponent have low hp, how the fight forever start with everbody with full hp, meteor shower is a skill usefull almost all times, piston punch is a exemple of skill that you can die without usein fight because you can not have reason to use in any turn in fight. yes, i know that have cores more useful than others (concursive shot maybe is the most useless active core of game) the piston punch dealing 3 of damage and not giving rage, have you utility
lowered. i know that have a low chance of someone understand but wass needed try talk about this problem.



toopygoo -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 12:01:53)

@dfo99

Nope, trans is right on this one. The cores do not serve the same purpose, and do not have the same effect.

Generator is much better in a 2v2 match than piston, but piston would be more beneficial in 2v2 given you have an offensive build.
as a merc, even with static smash, my energy is pretty well measured out... i have little to no energy at the end of along battle (thus i have other strong suits in case my energy is gone)

Ive been screwed over by this core a few times, turning the tables, since it has come out. Just becasue you havent found its slot in your niche doesnt mean it is useless for everyone. If this core were to deal regular damage it would be like using a low poison, frost shard, and agenerator in one turn... this setup takes tac-mercs 3 turns to build up to... Giving anyone this single benefit would make it way stronger than any other armour core, as it can be used wiht rage and bloodlust to deal damage, drain energy, gain energy, and health, all in one turn... do you see the issue with that ability?



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 12:12:14)

how does piton punch work? im im right in what im thinking t will be good on supp merc and dex mage.



Ranloth -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 12:13:43)

Here: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=21492712



Seteriel -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 14:52:01)

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Giving anyone this single benefit would make it way stronger than any other armour core, as it can be used wiht rage

It cannot - at least not effectively [:o]



edwardvulture -> RE: Piston Punch (10/27/2013 18:51:31)

yep i raged with it and did 3 damage



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Piston Punch (10/28/2013 0:42:10)

I personally thing that being locked to 3 damage even on rage balances this skill.



wireclub1990 -> RE: Piston Punch (10/28/2013 19:40:01)

piston punch can be countered by emping back , generator same thing to take the mana plus in order to use generator your not gaining rage or doing any damage . Piston punch and critical heal are pretty crappy imho critical heal more so as its almost always completely useless if you do the math with most builds running around today. Same problem with piston punch yes yes their are some situations where emping that support merc may be of use to you but yet again wasting that turn for 3 damage will prove fatal and back you into a corner against most builds.



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