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Altador987 -> RE: =ED= Upcoming Balance Changes (Patch 1.5.39) (11/15/2013 13:28:08)
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first, a huge thanks to Rabble for explaining a lot of this to us it's really exciting, but i just had some thoughts about future and presently coming changes and i will speak on both general occurrences and the classes i have first as i have not yet tried all of them
General:
the amount of blocks to deflects to crits dont really quite add up, i know about the debuff at certain abuses of stats but a person with 31-38 res will deflect a lot more than someone with that amount of defense and seeing as shadow arts no longer even helps that out it's really outta wack, but then randomly those with low dex will have blocks from nowhere and that doesn't quite make sense either, crits are weird for those with a lot of support but not abusive: my cy had 17 to whatever damage on aux but crit weren't that often even with cheap shot yet tank mercs who use bunker crit regularly even with no support, i'm not really upset i just dont quite get it. Also huge problem with juggernauts, in general... a lvl 30 fighting a 25 and a 21 is not a juggernaut that is a high lvl picking on one lvl that already stands little chance of winning against it and giving him or her more problems by adding someone who's items can barely do damage anyway due to lvl cap of weapons not to mention money and cores. Also personally, being put into a match i didnt ask for that usually wastes my time is rather unfair especially when a good bunch of those juggs can hardly win their regular matches and usually only jugg during power hour not to mention only the jugg gets something special out of it... so there's not a lot of incentive for the ones being shoved into the matches. i just think the lvl gap should be smaller or compensated for (ie a lvl 30 vs a 27 and a 24 assuming the credit rewards are the same or like a lvl 30 vs 2 25's with an increase for the lower lvl's as incentive and not just a complete waste of time)
as someone who has both varium and nonvarium accounts i really kinda felt ripped off when my mage paid for the little coins for gifts from the machine and recieved multiple maces and claws that he can't use and to top it off they were the same items not to mention i got 20 cred back for em... it was a huge waste of money, and i of course can't demand you give me money back or anything but could you at least make it so that our money and hard work is paid off with something we can use, like the house items weren't so bad until i received the same one three times when i'd never gotten rid of the first one i'd won
Cy hunters: when this class first came out i was really excited about all the possibilities it could possess because i thought that the class would be able to run more like the caster mages do now, not with how they rely on only dex and tech but the ability to regain mp and essentially be able to use different combinations for different situations, i wont talk about the plasma armor seeing as you already have plans for it so i'll wait: when it originally came out i had a really sweet build that could poison, malf, and multi, and while neither of those skills did outrageous damage they all came into play and chipped away at damage evenly all the while i was able to maintain decent strength as well, so i'm really excited to see static will be buffed again, however i do wish in the future we could do something about our stun, personally i've never even seen it stun anyone and though i've never played as a low cy hunter (i changed from a mage the hard way) in higher lvl battles most people tend to rely on tech anyway to the point where it doesn't do much damage at all, interestingly enough i think the cy's need a decent physical attack that doesn't rely on having to get a physical weapon, to make them more even in both realms of attack like bounty hunters
which brings me to bounty hunters: i honestly think the mark of blood is a great skill, though i'd say it shouldnt use so much mp, the thing is i always saw the hunters as ones who could chip away damage without use of a lot of mp mine was a hybrid for all situations, once the poison bots came in i saw how interestingly useful 8 damage for 4 turns could be so i let my bh take 5, it doesn't take a lot but 20 in an overall playout can be very useful... speaking of poison, while i wont complain that tacts can do more damage with theirs, it seems a little unfair that theirs does more at less cost especially when they could initially regain mp anyway, personally i really liked the reflex boost because i never used it for a high dex build it was moreso a defense mechanism at little cost that gave a good amount of dex back with decent support and then i could get mp, and seeing as i tended not to use a huge amount i didn't need oh so much to begin with. that being said i really don't know how to feel about shadow arts at all for my cy nor my bh because i can't gage how useful it is seeing as it uses a lot of mp and i still was takin decent damage and i tend to play a more defensive game so my def and res were nice enough that i shouldn't have for the amount of mp i had to use. also in comparison i've noticed that i crit more with cheap shot as a bounty than i do as a cy and my cy had more support by a good margin i just wondered if you knew any reason why or could look into it.
Tech mages: now this one is a little difficult because i don't like to jock style so i refuse to rely on the ever so boring all tech all dex stats, however the all strength all support mages are really a problem as well, a lot of 1v1 strategy is based solely on support, the abuse of or lack there of: either have so much going 2nd is impossible or have none and invest in only dex and tech so it doesnt matter. and it's really old. mages and merc tend to be the more unoriginal jocks of the playing field regardless of lvl and while i'm not sayin we should force anyone to have a certain build i think there's definitely room to make different original builds more desirable. One thing i did notice is that the firewave i weaker than bludgeon but costs more... i know it's unblockable and i guess i sorta see the balance but at the same time i can only see that it's going to ignore a percentage of defence and have no actual idea how much it can do and it's a little frustrating when using strategy. my hugest thing for mages is that in order to rebuff whatever was debuffed it usually only requires dex or tech, which is why we have those casters they dont need support to malf you they do so much damage anyway, they dont need to use their shield they have so much dex to begin with. i just think certain skills should rely on less loopy stats. the four caster attacks shouldn't all rely on dex or tech and only require a certain amount of strength it makes things too easy... and i certainly don't have all the answers nor do i wish to nerf mages and even casters oh so much but it's really frustrating when a caster with no support get's a crit while you has decent to even a lot of support only gets deflected. honestly i think the energy gain could depend on a certain skill like support or even strength or something (nerfing and or buffing the amount only a bit not by a huge bunch), but seeing as it's free at no cost and you can literally replace all your mp it would just add to strategy if it was affected by support (seeing as support can't be nerfed really)
Mercs: a lot of mercs complain they're nerfed due to the passive active swap but most of them don't need it anyway, i almost always see only two types of mercs, support or tech, the supporters rely on going first, crits, two very strong hits to begin with and then stealing mp, and the techs have so much tech and in turn can put their armor stats on def since they can steal mp and bunker, then use surg. so it wasn't a huge deal... however it SHOULD be because atom smasher is waaaay too overpowered, i understand that i was made to be like the bounties and cybers but emp relies on tech, uses mp, and doesn't give any back, just an hour ago a merc with 23 strength took away 24 mp retaining 18 for himself... when strength build cyber hunters couldnt even do that with a malf and a crit, and while i have noticed that the counter is using mp, those who spent nothing on str shouldnt steal that much or get that much back when the damage they'd prolly do is 3, honestly i believe theirs would be better scaled to the present cyber hunter's (well not that low cause no offense to you all static charge is just ridiculously underpowered) seeing as you get some back and steal theirs, and it wouldnt be a huge nerf seeing as mercs can give themselves strength that also heals when doing damage... honestly artillery strike shouldnt be allowed to crit as it's based off of support anyway and can be used in rage which ignores defenses, all that and then a crit when crits are already abused is a bit much. all in all i dont think mercs need a lot of change because they're not THAT op
Tact Mercs: i think reroute was actually the better skill for these guys because it gave them a certain strategy that was hard but not unbeatable even for the semi tech build most rely on so much. Now we have that and a few have gone back to the support thing and added poison which is just really boring, mind you i don't have one so i can't say what it's like being one but fighting one gets super dull super quick, poison should cost a lil more seeing they can instantly regain mp when they hardly use a lot of it anyway only to surg strike... i honestly dont have much to say for this class but i feel like it could use some different skills as to me it seems like the most uneventful class as just about all of it relies on havin enough mp to surg with
Blood Mage: i really can't say here, i dont have one but i honestly dont see much of a problem, a lot are complaining about the new mana thing but they could neither steal nor regain mana and now to gain hp they have to use mp and to be offensive they have to use mp so i dont really see a huge problem with it especially since most bm's cant abuse stats anymore, if they try to pull the caster build they have no support to defend themselves and they can only use it like once or twice, strength build is cool but you need mp to heal from the damage you make and support doesn't do oh so much because it only really affects your defensive skills, to me it seems pretty balanced however i can't say i don't see too many of em any more it's usually tacts, mercs, and techs, followed by the hunters
this was a lot but i feel like the way this update seems to be focused on is really the right way instead of making huge drastic changes... and i never really thought about it but if we're trying to give everyone a way to regain mana in some way will they do the same for cybers in health as they are the only ones who can't and while i'm not so sure we need one exactly, it's sorta the same idea ya know
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