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Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:11:09)

it's not the builds of the cyber hunters it's the amount of drain that others can take that make it more harmful then helpful



ur going to fail -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:11:27)

@above, builds are irrelevant. If you disagree that CH is UP then show the world it isn't. When someone says CH loses to much, it has to be compared to something. It wouldn't be called losing if everyone lost. It would thus be normal. If everyone won, it wouldn't be called winning, it would be normal. When you compare CH to other classes, how is it suppose to compete?

Replacing cheap shot with a skill like Firesycthe would help a lot as well. Maybe a version of it for people with blades.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:15:18)

Try a more offensive build. Right now Cybers aren't too good of tanks unless you have something like poison



Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:20:26)

wait... @urgoingtofail is that at me cause i was agreeing that cyber hunters are and have always been the underdog... and @dual i've noticed a few strength builds and they're good but i can beat even higher lvld cy hunters with good stats but i'll fiddle around and see what i can come up with i just prefer not to stoop to the tech mage support and power combo that 1v1 tms went to :(



I Underlord I -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:20:34)

How can Cyber Hunter compete? Let's see...
  • Insanely powerful energy-draining skill with a relatively low cost.
  • Skill that grants an extreme increase to resistance for a reasonable cost.
  • Energy-regaining skill that is unblockable, has a great return percentage, and has great synergy with Malfunction.
  • Malfunction...

    These are simply the core skills that can empower Cyber Hunters; like every class, one can make use of any of the skills as suits them to defeat opponents utilizing strategy (or at least tactics).



    • Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:27:11)

    yea but it seems to be the ONLY way to compete and that's ok i guess but the class has so much potential not to mention the other classes aren't stuck to one certain build in order to compete

    Edit: also even with a strength build, against anyone with really high tech (the majority of players) and a way to shield against a mafl (most players) i could still only get 3 mp... with 17-21 weapon damage

    Posts merge. Please don't double post. Use the edit button. ~Mecha



    GearzHeadz -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:37:06)

    The thing is though, where will they get the energy to use these skills? Once their initial energy is gone, it becomes a struggle.

    Insanely powerful energy draining? That's 'k, 4 classes now have good ways to regenerate it.
    Extreme resistance at a low cost? Enemy uses physical.
    Malfunction? Enemy has debuffs.
    The great return percentages are true, but you have to realize that they also have to chip through armor before getting any energy back, making the amount returned usually low. 5-15 is what I see on average.



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:42:30)

    in order to do any serious draining a cy must have tech, to get a decent malf one needs support, to get a decent regain one needs strength, to defend one needs tech and support... the only way i can see a cyber hunter being able to compete is if he forsakes dex completely



    ur going to fail -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:46:27)

    @altador, yeah sorry that was for dual thrusters. Anyway, dual thrusters put your money were your mouth is, show some proof. Chose a side. Make your perspective clear so the dev's know exactly what EVERYONE wants. If your gonna just sit down and make the odd random comment, then go ahead. But if you end up disagreeing that the latest balance change was no good, there is no one to blame, live with it.



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:51:45)

    so i tried a str build with no dex, 102 hp, 17-21 weapon dmg, and 14-17 aux damage, and 23-25 res (10-12 +10 def) i won the battle but the sad part is the guy barely tried... with all my str i could only hit 11 without a malf and even though his attack power wasn't very good i was so vulnerable it didn't matter, had he healed he probs wouldve one and i was a lvl higher than him



    Dual Thrusters -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:53:08)

    Ok, seriously. Cyber isn't all that bad as long as you synergize properly with the skills. The only problem is that Multishot and Plasma Grenade are so useless. Static Charge could use a little change, since it doesn't give rage and with the nerf to damage isn't all that effective.

    quote:

    If your gonna just sit down and make the odd random comment


    How have I done so? I just asked for your build to see the problem that supposedly "Cyber loses so much", which you said in a previous post.

    quote:

    But if you end up disagreeing that the latest balance change was no good, there is no one to blame, live with it.


    FYI I loved the balance change, although Static Grenade just needs some tweaking. Please don't assume to know what People believe and/or think because that's just immature.

    There, I stated my opinions about the class. Happy?



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 21:55:14)

    do you actually have a cyber hunter... or are you just making assumptions without experience because i just went with the synergy you just suggested and posted of those experiences for you to see exactly how they didn't work...



    Dual Thrusters -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 22:01:37)

    @altador

    Click my Profile Page, I have a level 35 Cyber called Decepticon Feedbak. I got 3 healthy builds that I revolve around, thank you very much.

    I don't think you read my post correctly, because I stated how useless some of Cyber's skills are. And anyway, that post was to the other guy.



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 22:10:39)

    thank you very much was not needed it was a simple question and a yes or no would've sufficed, i read your post quite clearly and regardless of who the post was to this is an open forum tagging someone's name does not exempt you from anyone else's opinion and lastly i asked because seeing as you do i was curious as to what you'd come up with seeing as you have 3 healthy builds you revolve around and we have the same lvl of cyber hunter i could maybe figure out a basis and add my own tweaks to it



    axell5 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/18/2013 23:24:57)

    im also very curious about dual's 3 builds



    Hellion Storm -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/19/2013 19:28:35)

    Shoot I'd like to see static charge have a 1 turn cooldown



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/19/2013 20:24:03)

    lol that's a bit much dont ya think



    kaierti1 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/20/2013 6:14:07)

    strength cyber hunters is not bad now 34 lvl won over me and i had no chance. and i am 36 blood mage (weakest class)



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/20/2013 13:37:23)

    Kaiert1 you have a lvl 5 heal when you have a little over 70 hp and have a skill that regains hp... i'm really not so certain it has to do with the cyber hunter or the blood mage class lol



    Hellion Storm -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/20/2013 14:32:13)

    quote:

    lol that's a bit much dont ya think


    Mabe, but I'd like to see cyber get a huge buff like that.



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/20/2013 14:53:08)

    lol we gotta be fair and find balance



    ur going to fail -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/21/2013 21:49:24)

    ED has been overrun with OP energy stealing skills. I'm not talking about classes, or balance. At the rate we going, no class will be balanced if it doesn't have a skill like static grenade or static smash. Really what is the difference between static smash and static grenade? I say a lack of energy regain is not the problem, but to many skills are around that control our energy pools. I don't know the answer, but this is a problem. A problem, not the problem.



    Altador987 -> RE: Potential buff to CH (11/21/2013 21:51:42)

    or maybe it's the mentality that one cannot fight and use strategy without energy that's the problem eventually you're going to run out of energy and some may be good at looping but that doesn't mean you can't win at all it just means you have to use what you have wisely



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