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xxDantExx -> LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 12:29:12)

well... as we all know lots of changes were being made to make this game more balance..
but sad to say that there is a HUGE imbalance w/ the latest update...
to point out LOOP HEALING is being abused again...

it was the main reason why Field Medic was changed from 3 cooldowns to 4 cooldowns since it was being abused by tech mages during beta days..
today it's being done again since they both have assimilation and Battery Backup...

... i think it would be fair enough if they would nerf one of those skills... i.e. make Assimilation " BLOCKABLE " .. or,, make the Battery Backup skill cooldown longer...



Drianx -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 12:31:40)

Or Battery Backup should work like Reroute but for 3 turns only - to give back energy only if you're damaged.



Mother1 -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 12:33:20)

@ Drianx

Actually that would solve a lot of problems and actually balance TM since when they put in battery backup they in turn over buffed caster tank TM.



Stabilis -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 13:21:11)

I would say yes to a classic Reroute-type of skill but that will not be a reliable energy gain. If it is dependent on the opponent then extrapolated energy gain is unknown: the range is too high.

Edit: This includes Energy Parasite as well.



Steel Slayer -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 13:39:46)

Just take the energy return away from assimilation, playing with battery would hurt TLM, and they are already hurting.

quote:

Edit: This includes Energy Parasite as well.


Why not just give Static Smash to BM? Might give them some incentive to use a staff, and would be MUCH better than Parasite.



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 13:57:59)

or just swap assimilate with parasite so that bm get assimilate and tm gets parasite.



edwardvulture -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 14:46:53)

What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider.The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.



xxDantExx -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 14:52:10)

imo.. they should do something about it... since some are already doing loop healing...
to be fair.. assimilation should be nerfed,, if not taken out, so as not to hurt the TLM's,, since changes are being made to move forward "Balance-wise"..
not to ga back to that annoying stage again where LOOP HEALING was being abused



Altador987 -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 17:33:55)

what if the old reroute was like the reverse of poison but with mp... over a certain amount of turns the caster receives x amount of mp back i'd say sort of like parasite except the number wouldn't be affected by anything



Stabilis -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/23/2013 17:36:11)

^

That is a skill concept that I can stand behind.



Steel Slayer -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/24/2013 11:01:32)

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What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider. The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.


/Agree. Just because you cant figure out a way to beat it, doesn't make a build OP. There enough energy drains in the game now, if someone is looping, it's because you let them.



Variation -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/24/2013 11:45:34)

It doesn't take much thought to break a loop-heal.



santonik -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/24/2013 18:02:48)

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LOOP HEALING comes back again....

That must destroy. Tech mage infinite heal loop is extreme dangerous to game balance.
---max lvl battery
---max lvl assimilation
--- good medic healt (critical heal help this too)
--- generator
--- good defence

even those techmage can looping very easy. (energy politic is unbalance)

i have figth some them (heal loopers) and i lost every single my battle. I have end my own energy. after that techmage is immortal (in theory)



xxDantExx -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 14:30:28)

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/Agree. Just because you cant figure out a way to beat it, doesn't make a build OP. There enough energy drains in the game now, if someone is looping, it's because you let them.


disagree...
Fight a Loop Healer and u will know what it's like


quote:

That must destroy. Tech mage infinite heal loop is extreme dangerous to game balance.
---max lvl battery
---max lvl assimilation
--- good medic healt (critical heal help this too)
--- generator
--- good defence

even those techmage can looping very easy. (energy politic is unbalance)

i have figth some them (heal loopers) and i lost every single my battle. I have end my own energy. after that techmage is immortal (in theory)

@santonik
... i agree..



DarkDevil -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 15:06:56)

i have already made another thread about the assimilation state some time ago.



Teserve -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 17:29:34)

Every class has an EP drainer, so if they heal loop its all because you aren't stopping them.

Plus, edwardvulture made a very good point:
quote:

What's wrong with heal looping? Its actually really strategic and there are a lot of variables you have to consider.The real problem is that not every classes have the resources to stop it or do it themselves.


And you never answered, what is wrong with heal-looping? All you said was "People are heal looping, and heal-looping is bad IMO!"



GearzHeadz -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 17:43:00)

It is a long and very annoying process that hogs the time of everyone involved.



Mother1 -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 17:58:19)

@ Gearzheadz

Only if you can't stop the process itself. Plus the staff made balance changes so matches would become longer believe it or not. All those nerfs to offense while buffing defense was for that purpose, and heal looping believe it or not makes matches longer as well.

Shame they don't have the pyro fly available for all anymore. If you get battery or assimilation taken out there goes the heal loop.



GearzHeadz -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 18:00:29)

I know THEY wanted matches longer. We however for the most part, didn't.



Teserve -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 18:40:40)

@GearzHeadz
I have seen equal want of long and short battles.

Also, it's like something I saw brought up once, people with fast wins and low w/l ratios and people with slow games and high w/l ratios. People have different play styles and as the game is PvP there will be some clashes, but nerfing a build or strategy just because you don't like it seems sort of off.



GearzHeadz -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 18:43:23)

I know this, I was just stating why people don't like loop healing.



Pemberton -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 21:33:08)

TechMage cannot heal loop if you drain them lol...



GearzHeadz -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 21:34:18)

And it is very hard to completely drain a techmage.



Teserve -> RE: LOOP HEALING comes back again.... (12/25/2013 23:14:05)

@above
It is a good strategy, and so some skill in the timing is required. You can't just spam skills and win (except at very low levels).



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