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GearzHeadz -> BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 1:57:26)

Problems with both classes boil down to energy. I think that a simple fix would be to swap these two classes energy drainers. It would synergize nicely with each class too. Energy parasite has requirements in support, and assimilation has requirements and improves with str. This would be an excellent way to balance the two classes out as far as I can tell.



edwardvulture -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 2:18:02)

FYI, Energy Parasite is currently bugged



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 2:23:47)

Yes I know, I'm implying that it'd be fixed when it is given to techs. But think about it, it'd be the perfect swap. Energy parasite (before it was bugged) wasn't returning energy quickly enough for BMs when they use it, and over energy control is a problem for techs. Techs often have to strategize when to use their battery because it usually gets drained often, if they had a parasite, they could apply it to their enemy before they use battery, that way if they do get drained, they will instantly begin draining the enemy and regaining their stolen energy. And for BMs, they'd be gaining energy quickly and draining the enemy at the same time. Tech mage also has 6 skills that require a staff, while blood mage only has 4. If the energy moves were swapped, they would both have 5. It is a win win for both classes, while balancing them.



Remorse -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 6:09:16)

Supported.



EpicIsEpic -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 6:28:58)

SUPPORTED
this would make it a way more interesting and maby increase regain from assim 2 80%



dfo99 -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 7:03:17)

lol, if it happens the assimilation will be several nerfed in bloodmage



DarkDevil -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 10:03:17)

parasite is a regenration skill while assim is a draining skill.

this doesn't make any sense , bms will have a very weak energy regain while tm will have an overflow of energy.



Mother1 -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 10:39:41)

This wouldn't help BM at all.

Having Assimation wouldn't help them since even with tech mage at the most it gives back 110 with is equal to 11 energy unless you are really spamming strength. For this to even have some chance of working you would have to swap the percent of what drain with the moves as well.

Meaning BM would get back 150% of the energy they drain with Assimilation, and TM would only get 50% of what they drain with energy parasite. Otherwise BM will still be in the same boat where as TM would have a constant overflow of energy.



DarkDevil -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 12:21:20)

it can't get to 150% just 100% , remember that 25 energy drained at normal str use means that even 100% regain look rediclous as it also attacks when compared to something like static smash.

the whole idea is flawed.



Mother1 -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 12:51:25)

@ Darkdevil

If that is the case then energy parasite itself is flawed since it works the same way since when it drains 22 the user of the drain gets 33 which is 150%



DarkDevil -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 13:15:35)

due to it being based of enemy's energy and the need of 3 turns to take the full effect , it doesn't go higher than 25 regain after 3 turns before the update.

while here we are talking about a stable at once regain , its different.



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 15:20:29)

If assimilation was given to BMs, then it should be put back on 100% energy return from the drain, for making up for the lower drain then other classes.



Ranloth -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 15:22:08)

And it'd make a Staff pretty much a must to use, for BMs. Something that classes shouldn't be forced to for sake of one move - Static Smash bugs me, for this very reason, although Mercs only have 2 weapon-specific skills to compensate for it.



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 15:57:51)

If that's so, then you should not like assimilation period. But currently, tech Mage has 6 staff skills while blood Mage has 4. Giving them assimilation would give them both 5.



Ranloth -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 16:18:27)

Uh... TMs have 4 Staff skills (Bolt, Overload, Super Charge and Assimilation) and BMs have 3 Staff skills (Fireball, Overload, Super Charge). Where did you get six from?



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 16:33:25)

My mistake, you are correct. I had thought fire scythe and plasma rain were staff required



newtena -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 18:24:25)

supported
trippy but ill support since this is the only page with support.
i started 3 tech mage accounts because nothing is being done to improve other classes. blood mage class is varium so it should higher quality so don't be afraid to give good stuff to blood mages?
its evolution makes host better, more destructive, complex, tactical, unmatched by tech mage the ower class. evolution give the host whats necessary to conquer challenges its has fought. they can't master their own mana not to mention that it fuel most of greedy skills blood mages need. so why lose the most efficient energy skills when you need it more than ever. leach was good move because it drives the enemy to melee. it needs to become less nurfed after all look at tech mages they are making their skills work together in harmony.
i will call blood mage class an adapted class because it adapted to giving major punishment. but in reality it does not survive well in battle and live up to its reputation for what its said.
your going to let the unevolved mages beat by lower class. so i'm going to take a week long break :)).



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/29/2013 18:55:35)

When they say they are evolved classes, it means they evolved because they were classes just placed in different then their normal roles. Blood mages for example, were specifically bred vicious genetically engineered soldiers/torturers of Baeleas.

Energy parasite doesn't exactly encourage enemies to strike though, but rather make them want to drain their energy as fast as possible.



ValkyrieKnight -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/30/2013 13:07:36)

Off personal experience, I think TMs current Asim on BM would be lovely.



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/30/2013 13:33:58)

The drain is pretty low and so is the regain, you have to admit. It's like this on tech mages because they already have another energy skill. Maybe turn the energy return back to 100%. Energy parasite would be much more strategic on tech mages anyways. And BMs need a quicker energy return skill. Techs however, could use energy parasite more strategically, as they already drain and get drained and battery constantly.



kittycat -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/31/2013 3:26:36)

Perhaps BM should have Energy Parasite replaced for Assimilation or Battery Backup :)



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/31/2013 3:37:28)

That's what I said, swap energy parasite with assimilation with a 100% energy return.



kittycat -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/31/2013 20:02:16)

How about Battery Backup?



GearzHeadz -> RE: BM and TM Energy Balance-Drainer Swapping (12/31/2013 23:20:36)

Leave it as is.



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