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kosmo -> what players are asking for (1/12/2014 7:20:17)
hi all, i wonted to do a short list of those that are the major changes that player are asking for, hoping this would help the staff to make all class aviable and more balanced. tm nerf (assimilation is the most blamed) tlm buff (lack of debuffs) merc (very unlikly to play out of the instability of static smash) heatchling rush nerf fell free to disagree whit some changes or to include new ones.

Digital X -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 7:31:04)
As I have the most experience with TM at the moment in regards to TLM/Merc after the skill changes I will answer about this only for now. Please note balance is not my strongest point but I will try and suggest options. As you have said, Assimilation is the most blamed but could this be balanced as such that it does not deal damage to HP, only takes and returns some EP or perhaps decrease the amount it takes a little? As TM's already have Battery Backup and may have Regen Core on their armour it might help a little as they have effectively 3 three ways of gaining EP back, even given one is a one use per battle ability.

kosmo -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 8:09:00)
yeah that would be a good step, for what i belive assimilation is the most cheep moove in game, it drains and regains a good ammount of energy, but differently from the other drains, it doesnt waste a turn because it deals dmg and it gains rage, whitout sayng that tm alredy has battery. there is a difference between being able to use ur mooves and having and infinite energy suorce. so yes, supported, that would mostly solve the broblem whit the class being op, but still other class need to be worked on. out of topic: i see that ch is not considered that up anymore, but i wont to explain why some ch builds are working while the class is still up in my opinion: this reason is the strenght sinergy and the abyss wep core, which is helping the class whit the current balance, but ch still lacks many defencive options and counters, infact his energy regain is near to ineffective whitout strenght; i belive that it would be better to make the regain of this moove determinated like assimilation, decresing the strenght scale or removing it

Ranloth -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 8:20:54)
Hm, I actually like the idea of Assimilation being, essentially, Mage's version of Static Smash. I still don't find the actual skill to be an issue on its own, but the stacking effects (mentioned above) may be a powerful combo indeed. Casters shouldn't mind either - they'll likely lose their beloved 30 damage, and then rage-related bonuses, but damage wise, it's almost nothing.

suboto -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:28:21)
Ok what assimilation does: -damage -takes energy -regains energy -cost nothing -builds rage -spammable throughout the battle -powers up by str suggestions to do to assimilation -remove damage -remove energy regain or cut it down to 25% from 50% similar to bounty hunters bomb skill -no rage gain -remain 0energy cost -remain a energy take skill That is all. As for tlm we have these skill: posion 10/10 support multi 7/10 battery 10/10 heal 10/10 armor 8/10 ds 6/10 blood shield 4/10 surgicial 8/10 stun grenade 3/10 field commander 1/10 suggestions to be made field commander replaced with either smoke or intimidate Advantages with smoke:counters dex abuseing opponent Advantages with intimidate: counters str builds more effectively rather then the need for massive def/res would give another reason for support/focus 5 builds I as a tatical merc know smoke would be oped so i suggest intimidate as a more tatical skill/counter. blood shield cost for is set to a % of said shielded blood shield Example: 85% of costed bloodshield 158shield cost 134hp this would make blood shield more worth maxing rather then unused. Thats all that needs to be done.

GearzHeadz -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:45:33)
How would smoke be OPed. I have heard many players say this but provide no evidence to support it. And really, TLMs poison needs a nerf. And if they get a move instead of field commander, be it intimidate or smoke, they can get technician instead of blood shield. This would create much more synergy and diversity for the class if they got technician. It would increase with dex just like stun grenade and power up their satellite strike.

Ranloth -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:46:59)
Toxic Grenade needs 2-turn cooldown, that's all. Nerf to the effect or the cost doesn't seem necessary, at all.

suboto -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:51:43)
-posion nade 2turn cool down intimidate rather then smoke i think is better for the tatical class in all honesty tlm was never suppose to have smoke lol. Technician skill eh it would be ok i suppose so either blood shield cost 85% of said shield technician as the originial technician skill That is all.

toopygoo -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:52:59)
i think the low cooldowns on any poison is a ridculous idea... no one is gonna heal off 130-260 damage at higher levels :/ and the turn you heal, they will poison you again so you cant heal it off for 4 turns and tthus you take 520 damage, on top of what else they could deal :/ i think for smoke, malfunction, and poison, all effects that the debuff should not be able to be reapplied until the turn they run out minus 1 turn.. thus if youre so keen, you can poison after 3 turns, or smoke after 2... These super fast cooldown, enable high HP/sterngth builds to thrive at higher levels. increasing cooldown means more strategic thinking instead of spamming high cost skills.

Ranloth -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 11:56:49)
I've had a different suggestion, for Blood Shield, so I'll quote it from my old thread: quote: [TLM] Re-work Blood Shield to fit Omega HP scaling and to be more efficient, compared to Shields and Armors. Perhaps 10 HP : 15 Res ratio, so for +50 HP spent on Blood Shield (Level 1), you'd get +75 Res in return. Fits with weaker debuffs and slower HP scaling in Omega, and is on par with Shields and Armors which last a turn or two less but give a bit more Resistance instead. It's a good concept, to have HP-costing skill and a defensive debuff would go with it even better - fits the tank theme, and reduces the "penalty" for spending HP on skills (you can survive without EP, but not HP).

GearzHeadz -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 12:02:59)
The thing is about toxic grenade is that it has 5 advantages over venom strike, for doing the exact same thing but better. No weapon requirement, no stat requirement, 1 turn less cool down, unavoidable, higher poison damage. Only thing it has over venom strike is that it deals 15% less damage. I think it needs to be put from a one turn cool down to a 2 turn cool down and given a stat requirement like venom strike. I really do think that giving them technician instead of blood shield would be so much better because sacrificing health and energy is such a big deal in omega. It would also help for the reasons that I previously stated for synergy and diversity in the class.

FrostWolv -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 12:29:58)
I really like Trans suggestion for TLM debuff: quote: [TLM] Replace Field Commander with a new debuff, which works in almost the same way as Omega Override (core). Debuffs opponent's highest stat including stat boost from your weapons, excluding debuffs applied. Improves with Dex to provide better synergy for Dex builds (blockable skills + Stun Grenade only) Weaker than Smoke/Malfunction to compensate for 4-in-1 debuff; maybe -4 less base in comparison to Smoke/Malfunction, which is roughly 10 damage/defense point difference.

suboto -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 12:35:52)
a debuff running off like that would be ideal but if its like lvl1 -4 lvl2 -6 lvl3 -8 lvl4 -10 lvl5 -12 lvl6 -13 lvl7 -14 lvl8 -15 lvl9 -16 lvl10 -18 Then the energy cost would have to be low like 80energy to 180energy due to the low debuff and cool down would have to be 2turns

Ranloth -> RE: what players are asking for (1/12/2014 13:26:42)
Put it this way - it's like Smoke but (say) -4 less to the debuff & improves with Dex instead. Since Dex synergy isn't all that bad, and nor great really, it would be good enough. You'd be able to counter any build with it, and have a mix of defensive and offensive debuff - depends on who you face. At least some variety could occur, at last, for TLMs, with such debuff. If they were to get Technician back, that'd actually be fantastic - Stun Grenade + Technician + Debuff, all working off Dex. I smell viable Dex build, with a hint of Tech for a low level Surgical Strike in dire situations. ;)

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