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kosmo -> new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 9:24:33)

bloks and deflects help to prevent the stat abuse, but they are so frequent that even who invests in dex and tech will end up getting them often.

i was thinking, why we dont make the % of bloks and deflect stable in a way that it only gets affected from the dex and tech of the player that is attacking?

to explain my self better, whit this change if u incrase ur dex and tech, u will not INCRASE YOUR % of bloking and deflecting ur opponent but u will just DECRESE HIS % of blocking and deflecting u, so u just start from a standard chance of getting luky (that is equal for evryone) and u decrese it investing in dex and tech to the point it will be very hard for u to get unluky.

so luck factors preserve the function to stop the stat abuse, but if i wont to avoid to get 1/3 of my attacks blocked, i can, i just need to incrase my stats, not like now where no matter how much dex u have if u strike u will get bloked...




DarkDevil -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 9:29:45)

and how will that exactly make str builds counter-able.

this will only unnecessarily OP str and supp builds since you will not longer counter with str or tech meaning Dex and tech are useless so this is a bigger extension of the str era that is now.

totally refused.



kosmo -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 9:46:49)

strenght builds already reley on the blok ability, they just spam dex and they get an high % of bloking whit ninja reflex.

strenght builds =/ from stat abuser, thats why strenght build need dex .

i do understand why u should get bloked and deflected if u invest all of ur points in str/supp/hp, but i dont see why u should blok and deflect UR OPPONENT if u invest them in tech and dex.

i dont know if u can understend, but strenght/dex builds will get nerfed from this, in a 5f vs strenght build match the second one mostly has an equal if not better better % to get luky(due to the dex abuse) and this is not very fair...



DarkDevil -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 10:00:00)

because you are fast enough to block them (DEX)
and your technology is so advanced your armor can deflect bullets (tech)

str builds doesn't rely on DEX but they are restricted by it so they have to have 90+ dex to not get blocked because they attack 99% of time.

if you remove those 90 dex from it you will just invest them into STR so they will be unstopable 700+ damage every turn with no way to stop them.
if you invest all your points in str/sup/hp you will have 35% chance of being blocked so it isn't that high but still restricting.



kosmo -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 10:14:51)

^ still it looks like you are not getting my point at all since ur talking of something that i didnt mention.

where did u read that u would not get bloked if u dont invest into dex?

im going to try to explain my self again, right now strenght build use dexterity to not get bloked often but they aswell get an high % of bloking u out of it, whit this change their dex will still be usefull to prevent blocks (as it is now) but it will not grant them to blok their opponents so much.

i hope u get it now.



DarkDevil -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 10:29:17)

the harm here is more than the gain , remember you will have higher tech therefore you are being non-sense attacking them where you should have an obvious advantage of gun or aux or skills.

a fact is they invested in dex so they did so you are not to take the advantage of block for them because you have lesser attack , where did the other stats go ?



Teserve -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 14:41:17)

@kosmo
First post
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but they are so frequent that even who invests in dex and tech will end up getting them often.

It's just RNG, it doesn't mean anything is wrong with the game. I can have a 2% block chance (I believe this is the lowest) and block every blockable move from the opponent.

What you proposed will not counter strength builds, but empower them.

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not like now where no matter how much dex u have if u strike u will get bloked...

Having a high stat difference over your opponent does not mean they have no chance of blocking. Everyone has a chance to block.

Second post
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strenght builds already reley on the blok ability, they just spam dex and they get an high % of bloking whit ninja reflex.

You can't base balance off of a core.

(I lack knowledge, sorry) What does =/ mean?

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but i dont see why u should blok and deflect UR OPPONENT if u invest them in tech and dex.

You always have a chance to block and deflect your opponent.

Third post
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right now strenght build use dexterity to not get bloked often but they aswell get an high % of bloking u out of it, whit this change their dex will still be usefull to prevent blocks (as it is now) but it will not grant them to blok their opponents so much.

Everyone has an chance to block an attack (If it is blockable).



kosmo -> RE: new block and deflect formula (1/12/2014 16:34:22)

man i rlly cant give a sense to one of the answer u gave me.

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It's just RNG, it doesn't mean anything is wrong with the game. I can have a 2% block chance (I believe this is the lowest) and block every blockable move from the opponent.

What you proposed will not counter strength builds, but empower them.


if u have 2% chance of blocking u will block 2% of the times

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Having a high stat difference over your opponent does not mean they have no chance of blocking. Everyone has a chance to block.


its obius that there would be a min % of bloking, what im suggesting is to not make luck be affected by stat difference

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You can't base balance off of a core.

(I lack knowledge, sorry) What does =/ mean?


i can when the core is broken, and niinja reflex is broken

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You always have a chance to block and deflect your opponent.


again thats obius, i sugested to make this chance not incrase whit dex and tech, but standard for evry build, and then decresad whit dex and tech.

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Everyone has an chance to block an attack (If it is blockable).


the luck in the game is so broken i would not be surprised to see my meteor shower bloked, lol.... (sarcasm)

this change is suggested to stop those builds that just spam dex + ninja reflex to get bloks, a 20 dex difference + ninja reflex grants u to block ur opponent all the battle, and the more the battle goes on the more u block him.
luck factors are here for a reason (prevent stat abuse), but they went far over their intent, peaple are complaining about them since ages now, and i belive after 6 years is quite time something gets done to balance this game in another way.



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