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Samurai_ED -> Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:13:11)

I believe the Blood Hawk robot needs a nerf because the Black Abyss bot got a nerf, and it has the same concept as the blood hawk robot, so why shouldn't the Blood Hawk robot get a nerf? Its only fair to those who bought the Black Abyss bot, because i'm pretty sure they feel cheated right now. Also, Blood Hawk is really Over-Powered atm, if you don't have it, you are usually gonna lose to someone who does have it, even if your build is a little better.



Mother1 -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:15:59)

So your reasoning for nerfing this bot is because the black abyss bot got a nerf as well? Not a good reason.

Also unlike the abyss bot which works on both defense and resist the blood hawk works according to your opponents armor defenses. So this bot is more of a gamble to use since you don't know what you are going to remove due to the way they made armor points unknown.



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:22:49)

First of all, you can see after i said that black abyss bot got nerfed, i said also because it is overpowered. Second of all, its not unknown... If a player has 50+35 dex, and 20+14 tech, and their def and res is even, it is obvious that all their armor points are on full resistance.



Teserve -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:24:58)

@above
And what happens when it's not so black and white?



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:25:57)

Ok, any possible way you can tell. If they have 50+35 dex and 50+35 tech, its 60 60, but if they have a little more dex than tech, than its prob 70 resistance and 50 dex..



Mother1 -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:27:10)

@ Teserve

my thoughts exactly. in the past they would show you exactly how much armor points each order had, but after an update they removed this. With this robot special it is like guessing where your opponents put their armor points which was why I said it was a gamble.

@ Samurai

as he said before what happens when it isn't as black and white as that?



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 13:30:11)

How unclear can it be Mother1? Give me an example



GearzHeadz -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 14:44:48)

Okay so you say it is overpowered but you didn't explain why.



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 15:12:30)

it is overpowered because it pretty much gives u 400 extra damage over 4 turns. 480 if it is all resistance. AND it does all instantly, unlike black abyss which spreads it out.



Mother1 -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 16:42:24)

@ samurai_ED

The effect only lasts for 3 turns not 4 you don't get extra damage for the turn you attack with the bot.



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 16:47:58)

@ Mother1
Im saying that the amount of armor that bot takes gives u a lot more damage when u hit them next turn. and its not always that u get 30 damage with the core.



kaiseryeux21 -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 18:05:57)

i will not support this idea for just ONE reason, the nerf is going to come even if we don't suggest it. Yes, i have seen it coming and nothing we can do about it. This has been the system of ED for quite a while. Remember the black abbyss bot and black abyss weapon? And i can also remember so many weapons and bots being nerf to the extent of making them completely useless to use. and the sad part it, we are not even compensated for the decrease of power we bought on a particularly expensive weapon. Those are the reasons that prevent me from buying the 10k varium pack. I was thinking of it for a couple of months and i know those weapons and bots can aide me in battle. But im thinking of long term. Yes i can take advantage for it right now, but how about after a couple of months. How about after the nerf, can i still use it full potential?

My apologies for being too frank, but im just stating facts. You can say im wrong but the evidence are overwhelming.



Samurai_ED -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 18:09:45)

Well, how are the devs/mods going to know that the Blood Hawk bot needs nerfing if we don't tell them? Mods/devs dont battle enough to realize that things are OP unless players TELL them.



kaiseryeux21 -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 18:14:03)

if they play this game, they would experience what players like us experience. And i will say this again fo ur benefit, ED has the already this kind of nerf system for quite sometime. If they nerf the bloodhawk bot which im sure they will, this is not because someone suggested it, its because its already in their timeline.



The berserker killer -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 18:29:10)

No reason to nerf this bot. Very clear description....so whats the problem? Isnt abyss enough?

I can fully guarantee you that players will refuse to play this game or pay another dime if this bot is nerfed. Not everyone tanks all weapon stats on str and defense, some tank it on 60-60, or 80-40. Not supported. No reason whatsoever to nerf the effects of this bot. Make the special 85% if you want, doesn't matter to me, but it has a very clear description as to what it does.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Blood Hawk Robot Nerf (5/3/2014 18:54:02)

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Well, how are the devs/mods going to know that the Blood Hawk bot needs nerfing if we don't tell them? Mods/devs dont battle enough to realize that things are OP unless players TELL them.


From past example the amount of stuff suggested on the forums that actually gets implemented is maybe 1%. And that 1% is normally stuff that 90% of the community is complaining about. Blood hawk isn't complained about too much yet, so I don't think it'll be getting a nerf at the moment.

I still like yetis more on intimidate classes because the base damage is just really high. Infernal android also can hit 450+ damage in one turn which is almost unstoppable in many lategame circumstances.

Blood hawk isn't OP. It just requires less skill to use than other bots to still get good effects.



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