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ambien -> is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 14:21:08)

looking at the war again sad out come we all see what is coming . exile again is crushing us legion players again when will they under stand the war is always one sided on duel now. players have said, why not have both sides fight on the same side as teams so both sides get the whole prize and make it 10k in war pts to get the whole deal vs the in coming armies once. but they said lets give the side that losses a prize that is fair. so the deves came up with a 5000 pt war score so the losing side still could get some thing worth while fighting for the legion side. if you look at the prize us legion will get 10k in credits an arcade tokens but not chest seems ok. but now if you look at the meter once it seems that legion players get the 5000 pts needed to get part of the prize ( credits and tokens ) a lot are farming now do you blame them ( in this case no l do not. )

funny when fighting one of the new npc as part of a mission and for the weapon drop (IMMANENCE says why are we fighting this worthless war any way ) that is funny when a npc say it is a worthless war.

my thoughts on this '

always the syfy




One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 14:36:41)

Immanence's line is just comedic in the sense that we do tire of these wars that we are fighting so we can connect to it. I am pretty sure she is really saying Lionhart is going to win why are you fighting but again to us it means Exile is going to win why is Legion fighting.

To answer the question in your topic title I would say no war is going on. I was talking to a member of my long disbanned faction over skype and he told me his favorite thing about any AE game was the pirate war in MQ because it had a great story. Now if you look at EpicDuel there is no story to why we are fighting; Legion wins nothing happens, Exile wins nothing happens. Charfade teased in her last Livestream that is Legion lost Frysteland something might happen to Alydriah giving story meaning to our war and changing the landscape of EpicDuel so to speak. Now Legion has lost both Fortune City and Frysteland to Exile and the face of Legion is standing proudly in the town center so was there any point to the fights in those locations? As far as I can see no.

TL;DR It isn't a war just a mini-game with no relevance to its surroundings




Rui. -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 15:39:39)

you need to understand its a game for us but a business for them. They took a huge risk with omega loosing valued supporters and bringing down varium as a means of winning to a shortcut to obtaining something. War is a means of revenue and since this does not effect pvp fights anything goes. War is just a way to get supporters get their names on leaderboards to showoff theie swagg... I dont know if you recall but during the frysty war there were 2 players who were leading the legion war when all of a sudden manthong cane in and ripped the hell outta motkha spending about 250$... This is what war is all about.. War of ego's and pride hehe. Miss good old days.. And yea you sure can see a ton of competition for the leaderboards.. So yeah to answer your question the war is on.. Exile has won by trashing legions morale to fight :P




Mother1 -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 15:54:13)

@ Ambien

you know as well as I do that this isn't a real war. This is just something to keep the masses busy. In all honestly when they made dreaded war 1.0 I was expecting something like frostland or Infernal wars but that was a huge let down as it became normal game play with cheevo's.

It felt as if they just gave up there and let it pass on for the past few months until players got bored and complained. Then as the result of those players complaining on twitter we got this war which while it feels more like the old wars is a lot shorter and extremely one sided due to the lack of legion players.

Personally as I said several times as well as you, they need to scrap this war or put it on cool down until enough players are on both sides to make it fair.




ambien -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 15:58:50)

well lets see the last 3 wars exile one player has bought the title 3 times for exile spending more then 250$ for the wars . if they want to spend to win which exile is doing fine, and as far as exile leader board right you ppl are fighting over it, by spending money to get the name their. but as far as a war lets get real one sided exile factions, btw a lot of ppl left when omega happen, if you think this war is bringing them back look again. a lot of legion jumped sides for the 3rd war. the war is not about spending money to win if you think that then you really out there.

what would happen if the war was straight up and no one could buy it once. maybe then the game would be closer , but if you can buy wars wins and you want to spend money go for it.
that is why l said is there really a war going on. or is hard earned money winning the war you all can be the judge on this one . just that the war is the same old story you spend you win you said it Rui and as far as trashing legion morals NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE WAR ask players they say again the war is boring or have you never asked.




Rui. -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 16:06:59)

you are absolutely right, why should the devs spend time on coding a war if they do not get something back in return. War is the best way to generate revenue, you and i know we are not gonna get more players joining this game over this war. War isnt boring .. I like the freebies helps with the legendary ranks.. Its boring to be legion and loose and even more boring to be exile and click on the hovercraft and nuke bombs .. Fingers hurt seriously. Atleast we need to be happy that there is a free to play game thanks to the supporters of the war.. You do see the state of hero smash and oversoul. I am in no position to justify if no one cares.. But the leaderboard shows you we do care and we will fight ... We will fight till the end.. If we didnt care ppl wouldnt be spending tons to support right :)




Bagofbricks -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 16:11:40)

I will never get why each war theres complaints about exile always winning. Theres two sides for players to choose, obviously the more preferred side will win every time. War doesnt need to have an even chance for each side, and adding war rallies etc to help legion is more than they even need to do.




Ranloth -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 16:31:04)

The war is meant to be ongoing, if you didn't realize already. It's not like the Infernal War or Frysteland War, where it was an event for few weeks and then rare. It was clarified few times already, as well as the same regions eventually being used again for the war. If they wanted the war to be the War, then they would've ended it in few months tops, and stuck to one region. Shifting regions means you can try out new story (as OWA highlighted already), and give players an incentive to fight or spend money. Some players like to show off (like Rui has said) instead. Some just don't have anything better to do.

If you compare it to the previous two wars, don't bother. One-off Event vs. ongoing War. Two different things. Otherwise, they wouldn't have release Rev's missions, or "filler" missions before that (back in April), that didn't really relate to the Dread War. It merely exists as an incentive to fight/play. Players want competition (faction wise), and this is sorta similar but not quite - this does NOT include bugs such as the current Overlord War having Exiles getting War Rallies at 2M+ advantage. So, don't bother saying "NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE WAR" because that's minority saying so at most. Probably high level players, which are minority anyway - compared to newer players or those around/under Level 30. Not mentioning the story potential - which players DO want, and some players like games for the story, not necessarily the gameplay. (DF has not-so-good gameplay, but the Book 1 story was really good - with bigger Team too, before any comparisons are made)

Dread War was never designed to bring players back. It's funny how people still assume they do all these changes on purpose, to deliberately drive players away and kill off their own game, which would result in pretty much losing their jobs. Yeah, because when you have a job, what you really want is to lose it. No one said the changes are always good, but some DO have long-term returns, whilst players look short-term and ocus on "me" - not "others".
You know... if they were doing that much better in Delta, with everything being oh-so-good (and there are threads around saying Delta + Gamma were really bad, by few (now) retired players), why release Omega? Why lose players and profit, and pretty much everything else? If they get certain share of money made (Devs) by their game (from AE), then less profit made = less money earnt. It's getting to the point where these arguments are pointless, and people don't even bother using logic when posting. "Financial stability? Nah, let's mess around and lose our jobs!"

Also, few things aren't taken into account. The spike in tablet and smartphone users (and newer Android + iOS don't support Flash), smartphones getting better and better, and Flash not really made for games. Why was Project Omni a priority? Mobile gaming. Tablets and smartphones alike. Vast majority have them, and you can earn money off these. This doesn't mean Omega isn't to blame, but do look for some more data, apart from one-sided arguments that may barely hold any truth. The very same reason is why DF and AQ lost a lot of players - AQ reaching 10-15K+ easily, few years ago, and now averaging around 1K players. DF also had around 4-5K players before, if not a bit more. MQ was popular back then too. Now? Yeah.
Do you really think MMO Flash Games can make up for it? Not really. AQW is slowly heading that way too, but the difference is, much bigger Team, so they can hold the players for a bit longer. Before you say "why not recruit more people for ED then?" - how about AE expands ED's budget to enable them to do so? Volunteers? Ah yes, and then have Staff shortages because the Devs would have to train the volunteers, thus even less content for the players.

Lastly, Charfade already said before that they aren't bothered that much by the lower playerbase. It's to be expected, after some drastic changes + the above paragraph (which was ALSO discussed in the Livestreams before), but it's a stable playerbase. Small but stable. Sometimes, it's better than a bigger playerbase made out of casuals who quit after few days or weeks, for good. Stable also relates to being financially stable. Instead of assuming "only 300-600 players online", how about actual players online during the 24h period? You count the ones logged in at the given moment, and new ones may log in, whilst the older ones log out. Unique players may be as high as 1-2K even. You have no way of checking how many unique players log in during the x time period, but ones currently online. If an hour later, there is the same amount of players online, this doesn't mean they are the same people. Active =/= stable. There's a lot less active players, but there can be a lot more unique players who do get on every now and again, and maybe buy some Varium. For a business, 1K stable > 3K unstable (example), especially if you have data to back it up with - in terms of Varium sales.

(don't bother nitpicking the post apart, because if anything, it's meant to be quoted in paragraph; each paragraph covers a topic, and picking one sentence will put it out of context)


Rui's latest post is ironically right too - players do care. If they didn't, you wouldn't see them bother with the War, or logging in at all. They spent money thus hard to quit? You can still play, but there's a difference between casual logging in and playing for hours each day. :p




ambien -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 16:33:16)

l never said l was mad the exile is wining never said said it never have. as far wait lets go back about 2 years ok. when l started in beta as a f2p l never cryed about varium players get it all.

btw l was in gamma as a f2p player an was on all time board with a free 2 play player. but later on l like varium things so got varium. now if their are any old varium players out there the game did well until a hand full of f2p players started posted some not so nice comments on the old epic form and well they said that it was not fair that f2p players where getting tramped on in battles. really well gee l made all time with a f2p player back then an l did not cry. enough of that. so now the money is spent to win the war np never cryed about it ever. just said hand writting was on the wall about buying the war and the lack of numbs vs exile players. funny that comicalbiker who is legion is not up there in the legion ranks this time . ask him once before pll started hamming on legion.


say what you want, do what you wan,t the war will go on and exile will win each war, the numbs of players on one side vs the other win most of wars. history shows it. to say Rui. Exile has won by trashing legions morale to fight. nope exile has more players buys more varium to win . that is why, so be it.






Rui. -> RE: is there really a war going on (6/30/2014 16:52:23)

Do you want a red bull ? I got some dundill switch too




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