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ambien -> why is this (9/20/2014 17:15:18)

if ANY one has notice that 34----37 levels and below have a really hard time in getting cheevo from amd10,exile leader for beating them in a 2v1 battle. same as when they have to fight saeva lion heart, being low level it is a wasted cause to even try. ( a lot of 40th levels with a high rank will not battle ) because it is a loosing cause. wouldnt be nice if the level would match them when they fight the the bosses. sad that a 36---37th or lower cannot defeat them. even with a high ranking 40th level. l see why they get mad when trying to get a team mate to help them battle some thing should be done . well does any one feel this way about this sore subject, for the lower levels people.




my thoughts on this , play until your eyes hurt watching the battle screen


always the syfy.



Mother1 -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 17:21:29)

Actually there have been level 34-35 players depending on class who actually beat the lionhart boss.

The same can be said with exile leader and and Admin 10. I know this because I teamed up with some lower level players when fighting admin 10 and exile leader and we came out on top against them.

I have also seen players with lower levels who beat the lionhart boss due to them either having

A) the cheevo
B) the dropped weapon in their inventory
C) Both.


But on a note of this topic bosses are suppose to be harder characters that require you to level up to fight them. So unless we get a boss event like chairman Platinum 2.0 where we need to beat a boss a clear a bar under a certain time limit doing this would be pointless.

Especially now seeing as events in game aren't going rare anymore so said players have more than enough time to level up to challenge said boss for their missions.



Ranloth -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 17:22:00)

2v1 Bosses were always designed to be high-level exclusive, otherwise there's little reason to call them an actual Boss - by definition and for story reasons. Chairman was a different story (and the only Boss), due to the event being designed to be for everyone (at the cost of Bosses being a pushover) across all AE Games.

There are other NPCs who have achievements, for lower level players. If they don't just yet then:
quote:

Some have asked why give achievements to these particular NPCs and not ALL the NPCs you can fight? Good question! I suppose as soon as we draw achievements for the other unique NPCs, we can fill out the ranks of the challengeable NPCs. This would give opportunities to earn these "boss" achievements to players in all level ranges!
Taken from Titan's Triumph Arrives!.



ambien -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 17:45:53)

well some may have won but you count them on one hand boys. l said some times it is not fair for the lower levels to battle these monsters of ed. how many asked you both high level players an you said no to them. so maybe their LUCK was unreal that day but 9 out of ten cannot win. you got to look on both sides of the coin here , not just your side and how you won. real story take a poll and you can see maybe 1.5 % have one the battle the rest are outside looking in, and hoping maybe they could be one of the 1.5% that could win.



the whole picture is not all the time luck is on your side


always the syfy



Variation -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 17:51:25)

@syfy: Actually it's possible, I've solo'd both Administrator 10 and Exile Leader at level 36. Also it's not that they can't beat them, it's just that the community is so vile and almost no one wants help each other out. I've helped 73 players kill Administrator 10 and Exile Leader and those players constantly tell me how they're harassed and ridiculed just for asking high level players for help to kill the bosses. It's pretty sad when you think of it because those same players who harass the low levels were once in the same situation before.



ambien -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 18:03:01)

as of right now how hard is it for a 36----37th level , to beat titan, night, big tuna,amd10, exile leader,charfade,caden eyes, right now for the cheevo when the bosses have all the old passive skills. l think it is kinda unfair to them non passive skills vs passive skills that is unfair. why not give the bosses the skills we got to use in battle once.


any way my thoughts on this alway

the syfy



Mother1 -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 18:03:59)

Variation hit the nail on the head with this one in both cases.

Exile leader and Admin 10 IIRC were made when the level gap was 36 and passives were still around. When Active skills came these bosses actually got an indirect nerf due to new skills that the classes gained.

I have also helped players beat these bosses myself and while It isn't as many times as Variation has his point still stands firm.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 19:39:16)

I've beaten admin10 and exile leader with a level 32 ally while being level 36. It's not impossible nor extremely difficult. I haven't bothered with any other bosses like saeva yet because I'm spending my time working on other things rather than playing ED, but I don't doubt that i's possible.



dfo99 -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 20:04:20)

a lv 38 almost solo the exile leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsmJHKHQrE



theholyfighter -> RE: why is this (9/20/2014 23:43:16)

I used a lvl 29 TM and lvl 35 BM.

Defeated Exile Leader and Admin10 without much pressure...

Basically

BM/Merc/BH

+

TM/TLM/CH

Any combination with that works great for bosses.

The classes on the top are "Drainers" that steals the Boss's energy;

The classes on the bottom are "Producers" that generates fresh new energy points.



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: why is this (9/23/2014 17:02:53)

Reading syfy's post, I can understand trying to complete the event missions, yet having these difficult npcs to defeat.

There are seem to be many I did this and I was able to do that, yet on a communal scope, this does not aid, and not reflective for various scenarios.

In regard to Boss Achievements that are non event related, this should remain, at least, in regard to the importance of these characters to the game. But with event related missions, to allow all ranges to compete, some accommodations would be supportive.



Mother1 -> RE: why is this (9/23/2014 17:39:36)

@ Elf priest Jzaanu

IIRC with the lionhart chains the staff made a separate mission chain that has a reward cheevo for the lower level players who couldn't do the missions for the higher level players.

Plus while what you are saying is kind of true there is one difference from before. While lower levels can't do the missions right away, they won't go rare anymore either like in delta and early omega. This means that those players can level up and take on those missions without worry of missing out as well.



DeathGuard -> RE: why is this (9/23/2014 17:59:16)

quote:

as of right now how hard is it for a 36----37th level , to beat titan, night, big tuna,amd10, exile leader,charfade,caden eyes, right now for the cheevo when the bosses have all the old passive skills. l think it is kinda unfair to them non passive skills vs passive skills that is unfair. why not give the bosses the skills we got to use in battle once.
I have a lvl 32 Mercenary that has beat most of the bosses except for Nightwraith. I should be able to beat him though and with a good partner, I should beat Admin 10 and Exile Leader as well. It is not impossible, you just need a right build. 4 or 5 lvls of difference are some great gap and I think they should have higher chances to beat them as well. If anything, I can help such people with heating the bosses to those players needing a 2 vs 1 boss ally.
There's a thread for arranging such things but sending me a pm isn't a bad idea too.
I have completed most of Rev's storyline with my alternative mercenary, just waiting for some friend to help me beat the 2 higher bosses and I should be done.
Though I can agree that probably the lvls needed to beat a boss could be lowered but most of the times such events are aimed to higher lvls.

EDIT: Forgot to link my merc alt's character page
Cyberbakio



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