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Hun Kingq -> Strike spammers (9/28/2014 11:46:52)

Because just regular strike gets so much damage and the match gets boring when they just strike strike strike strike strike strike how about this

This is just on the regular strike button
85% less damage starting at 50 strength
for every 15 points of strength above 50 they get 5% less damage.



Remorse -> RE: Strike spammers (9/28/2014 11:55:53)

So investing in STR would be pointless...

I also don't like Strike spammers but this definitely isn't the way to deal with them.


They just made a good strike counter robot, and they could buff intimidate these would be better ways to deal with it.



Hun Kingq -> RE: Strike spammers (9/28/2014 13:08:56)

Remorse, Investing in strength would not be pointless because it would just affect the strike button would not affect the skills or the side arms. They just strike over and over again to rage faster and get an unearned cheap win.

Anyone that just have a strength build that is all they do is strike over and over again but if they realize that they will not get that much damage or rage as fast with that method it would curtail somewhat the boring battle pattern.



Mother1 -> RE: Strike spammers (9/28/2014 13:39:02)

Not supported.

Just because you have trouble with strike spammers doesn't means they should get nerfed.

If you are having trouble with strike spammers change your build so you can counter them Hun. While strength is very rewarding there are ways to counter them.

Intimindate (if you are a merc or Blood mage)
Shields (which all classes have)

Bunny bot
Kraten bot (if you have these)



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Strike spammers (9/28/2014 16:15:19)

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They just strike over and over again to rage faster and get an unearned cheap win.


Get some block chance via dex and ninja reflexes core. Or... hmm.. you could use intimidate if their only damage source is strength-based. Maybe you won't think intimidate sucks if you just start spamming it against these strength builds, because there's nothing they can do about it aside from just stalling turns giving you free moves.

quote:

This is just on the regular strike button
85% less damage starting at 50 strength
for every 15 points of strength above 50 they get 5% less damage.


Hopefully these aren't actual numbers you plan on implementing, and are only there to serve the purpose of conveying the idea. Someone with 49 strength would strike for more than someone with 50 strength. By a LOT.

Overall, not supported. They're annoying cause they killed off 1v1, but I don't see THAT many of them these days, maybe only around 50% of my battles do people strike 2-3 times in a row against me. The solution to making 1v1 not as monotonous is definitely not to make a stat unusable. That's just ruining the game more by taking numerous possible build options and throwing it away, making build variety even less.



Elloisoul -> RE: Strike spammers (9/28/2014 20:35:45)

I don't know about you . but if u keep losing to people who just keep using strike then your build must suck.



DeltaNoob123456789 -> RE: Strike spammers (9/29/2014 1:14:52)

Supported, I'm tired of battling against strength abuser, plus they always win

I've tried beating them a Support build with a high intimidate but I failed.



Justingbieberfangirl -> RE: Strike spammers (9/29/2014 15:59:19)

Ok so this is from my point of view as I dont play much due to school and i don't see much point till more balance comes and the game becomes more interesting for me.

1.)High hp has no/very weak down sides and it is too strong in general. E.g. in 1 vs 1 lets say I have 750 hp and my opponent has 1.4k

I am forced to heal when my health gets below 450 because i know due to a lucky stun or a crit his highest dealing skill - my defenses will deal around 450 damage with rage.

On the other hand my opponent has the upper hand while he doesn't need to heal and he gets rage gain quickly.


Alone strength isnt the problem it only becomes one when you also invest a lot in to hp. (Before a lot of hp made defences weaker.)
Now it doesn't. There are just too many ways to counter tank builds but non reliable to counter str+hp+dex.
P.s. Note that bunny bot is seasonal and the new robot is varium only so a lot of people dont have nether of them. Meaning them not to be counted as reliable. Also not all classes have intimidate.

So I suggest them making more strength in to something that has drawbacks e.g. with each 10 str points your total hp decreases by 1%. Now if any one was to abuse it now they would have to sacrafise some health and thus leading it more in to a tank type of build which are easy to counter as you have spent most of your points on str not on defenses (dex & tech)


Kind of disappointed that they only make new cores for promo packs as to me them having 13 or so cores in the game which aren't rare is not enough.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Strike spammers (9/29/2014 19:23:54)

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I've tried beating them a Support build with a high intimidate but I failed.


Just as a tip (because people think investing in support just for the boost in the skills it scales with is worth it, when it's not), never build support just for intimidate. If you want more potential on intimidate, then just get it up to level 7 since it doesn't cost that much energy at all. You should never need more than a level 7 intimidate with 45 support; it's already plenty strong and your tankiness should supplement to help keep you alive against people who spam strike.

quote:

1.)High hp has no/very weak down sides and it is too strong in general.

Lifestealing is an indirect counter to it, but not all classes have it. Actually, skills that give you some sort of boost based off of % damage dealt (like old static charge) benefit from high HP and low defenses, but I don't think the benefit is enough or available enough to all classes to serve as a reliable way of dealing with high HP.

I personally don't think there's a problem with strike spamming. IF you had to do anything at all, then just make it so rage gain scales are dramatically affected by support, so support builds gain rage a lot faster and strength builds with little support gain almost no rage. It would be a really good punisher to make it so that strength builds against focus builds could only rage once every 7-8 turns or so.



Vorzathiel -> RE: Strike spammers (9/29/2014 22:30:26)

strike spamming aint a problem but your build most likely is, i have seen your build and it would do no good in any battle as you lack good counters to debuffs and strength spammers.



Elloisoul -> RE: Strike spammers (9/30/2014 7:26:01)

@Hun a Kind player shown my a screen shot of ur Build i must say... its horrible , id rather get paired with a ally thats 4 levels lower rather than that as your build is not only in affective but this rant shows how much of a hypocrite you are



zion -> RE: Strike spammers (9/30/2014 13:29:53)

If it bothers you so much buy the new bot which is specifically designed to destroy this build.



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