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dfo99 -> reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/17/2014 22:11:46)

of course is ridiculous open an thread after some result in battle, but this one i believe that is really needed due the frequence of the problem. reduce this odds is really important for allow the people win by strategy instead luck, how is possible do anything with the deflect ratio in almost 99% against someone that have only 30 or 40 points of dex or tech status? the max possible in theory is 35% and 25%, but it seems far higher. dont forget that there is no move unblocable/undeflectable that don't requires mana, what means that if you and you oponent have no mana the blocks and deflects will be unavoidable and the game runs without any control from the players.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/17/2014 22:44:26)

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how is possible do anything with the deflect ratio in almost 99% against someone that have only 30 or 40 points of dex or tech status?


It's called bad luck. Deal with it. It happens to everyone.

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he max possible in theory is 35% and 25%, but it seems far higher.


It only seems far higher because at this point you'd probably be getting frustrated from having bad luck and you're blowing it out of proportion in your mind.

It's not ridiculous, you'd need massive amounts more of tech or dex to cap the chance. Plus, extremely bad instances of luck happen to everyone. The point of luck is to give underdogs and people who are currently losing hope so that they can find more enjoyment in the game. Take that inch of hope away and they just feel overwhelmed and don't think they'll ever stand a chance against people 2+ levels higher than them, and eventually will just quit playing ED.



dfo99 -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/18/2014 1:05:29)

of course, i know that have a big chance of the devs just don't thread nothing about ed odds due the alot of players that get a bad fight and come here to show they rage (what is not my case), also odds is a really comeplex mathematic subject that the majority of the people don't understand (or even can't understand), that's why i will try avoid the mathematics concerns about blocks and deflections on this thread and try defend my main argument: "the currently blocks/deflections odds made the game worse and broken the concept of "play"." for exemple: if you play an fps game, what if each bullet have >35% of chance block and inflict 15% of the dmg? of course that would be a absolutly crap for the majority of fps players because they skills many times will not made any diference. of course epic duel is not a fps game, but the concept of the problem is the same.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/18/2014 1:16:57)

The concept is different because the point of FPS games is to have good reflexes/aim and good intuition to know where enemies are. In ED the point is to play smart, and I can guarantee you that striking 4-5 times against someone with a 15% block chance and not expecting to get blocked once is really foolish because I can rough estimate around a 50% chance that you'll get blocked at least once when doing something like that.

Imagine ED without crits, deflects, and blocks. BORING. There's no mix-up when an unexpected block happens and now I need to adjust my strategy since my opponent got a little ahead of me. Sure there are times when you lose solely because of getting blocked, but those happen in your favor every so often as well.



dfo99 -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/18/2014 3:10:20)

i know that nobody in the forums and the devs don't suport the idea of remove the blocks/deflections, but my thread objetive is reduce the odds, not remove them, ofc i prefer them total remotion and still not see any good argument to maintain them in the game, the "who start first will win" is a big lie, but i am sure that defend the total remotion is total waste of time because rabblefroth says direct to me that want the blocks/deflections absorbing alot of damage in the game, then remove them is completly impossible using any argument. but he don't talk about the odds, the fps exemple really sucks, i know it but can't think anyother example, but "play smart" is the "way" of play all games in the world, not only epic duel. the epic duel point is choose the best skills and cores at the correct time, however this is exactly what the blocks/deflections ruins due they extreme influence in the match, if the characters have something like 10000 of hp, this maybe will not be a problem, but the 10k of hp will made the matches extreme slow, which means that this is not an possible solution, the best solution still seems remove the blocks/deflections and creat more skills, but how this never will happens i suggest reduce the odds.



Drianx -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/18/2014 6:10:04)

Decreasing crit/block/deflect chance means actually increasing the importance of pure luck. Simply because when you fight someone and you both have very low chance to block and a block still occurs, the one who blocks will definitely win. So it would be a matter of 'who blocks wins'.



dfo99 -> RE: reduce the blocks and deflections % odds (12/19/2014 8:27:30)

1 block usually is not enough to be automatic lose if the move blocked was not much important, as 85% hits like hatchling rush for example, unlike my thread suggest i don't want the total remotion of luck factors in the game, i don't say nothing about crits here, the problem is the blocks and deflections, because unlike the crits which boost the enemy atack, the blocks/deflects just made you move almost null, what made you choice of skills/cores and you overhall strategy almost useless



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