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.Lord Ginger. -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/9/2015 18:44:54)

BM can do the same, fire up the IA. And the Static on CH is 3 turn cooldown so now it can heal every 6 turns instead of only giving the BH energy.



dfo99 -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 0:22:30)

mother1, can you show some links of threads where the players ask for switch str for dex sidearm scale? i never see any.



Rayman -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 3:01:18)

There are tons of threads with suggestions to change the gun from str to Dex or to Support, the ones who suggested it the most are Remorse Less and GoldSlayer1, Finding it will take time since there are over 200 pages of suggestions.

Also it was suggested alot back when we had the Balance Discussion Threads years ago.



Darkwing -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 6:32:12)

Support builds have bazooka. I can only imagine support mercs/TLM with both gun,bazooka, multi, crits,first turn? They would rule 2vs2, even more if it's a team of this type.




Rayman -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 13:17:29)

I didn't mean that they suggested a gun that improves with support, it was something about making the gun scale with both Str and Support at the same time.



iTz Ice -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 14:37:19)

I don't get why Lucky Strike from Celtic Cleaver got buffed, while Mark of Azrael remained the same instead of getting a +1% buff.



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 15:06:26)

@ iTz ice

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Was simply overlooked, apologies for that. Mark of Azael will be looked into next time!


This was quoted by Mecha Mario one of the tester from another thread.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 20:24:57)

As stated before, fix it to say May 8th instead of April 8th for the topic.

Caster skills have garbage damage scaling, +20 energy cost for +20 damage.

Just keep shoving deflectable attacks down a dex TM's throat and get lots of technology. They can't do anything to you because their energy costs are too high to deal good damage. You don't even need to reliably hit every single energy drain on them. The fights can go on for a while but they are very, very manageable.



RageSoul -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/10/2015 23:02:18)

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DEX's scaling: 0.6 Dex for +1 damage below 55 Dex -> 0.8 Dex for +1 damage at 55 Dex, until -> 1 Dex for +1 damage at 85 Dex and above.
STR's scaling: 0.5 Str for +1 damage below 55 Str -> 0.65 Str for +1 damage at 55 Str, until -> 0.85 Str for +1 damage at 85 Str and above.


Thanks for the clarification , it looked similar since my DEX wasn't around more then 60 .

Oh BTW , isn't the date of the patch supposed to be May instead of April?

Fixed date. ~WhiteTiger



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/11/2015 0:14:35)

@Rage someone messed up the thread title when they posted it here. GD title is correct though



priest_hidan -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/12/2015 13:07:17)

this was a terrible change in balance. lets see whtat Dex does now. It enhances side arms, blocks, defense, certain skills. that's all of it... strength is almost obsolete now. technology is the second best... and support would suck as well if it did not have the aux damage and certain skills. dex needs to be nerfed as soon as possible. sometimes i wonder how much thought the devs put into it before buffing the dex... people have 180+ dex on average.



DanniiBoiixD -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/13/2015 2:30:46)

Did this guy really just say people have 180+ dex on average? I need whatever you are smoking.



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/13/2015 2:40:13)

@ DanniiboiixD

I been doing 1 vs 1 for the past few days to finish that 600 mission and when the balance update came there have been a lot of high dex abuse builds. While many of them don't have that much I have seen some dex builds that have 180 and more dex.



.Lord Ginger. -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/14/2015 23:43:10)

I still remember when people talked about insane IA damage and @ranloth said it wasn't really powered up. Well... 125%»120% is pretty funny @Ranloth



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/14/2015 23:49:58)

Had it not been for Strength and Gun change, the IA nerf wouldn't happen in the first place (since I personally requested it). This is the reason why it was nerfed.

In the same way Support builds are now stronger, because other sources of damage have been nerfed thus giving Support an indirect buff. It's called chain reaction, and nerfing IA was to prevent it from happening.



Alphaeus -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/15/2015 16:37:48)

I am sooooooo Happy with this patch. (and not just because I have a Dex TM with Dage's Haunted Boomstick as a sidearm....though i love that multi gun now more than ever :). While the changes are relatively slight, they have had a major effect on the game, one that is quite a good start to getting back to the Old ED. I know, I know, they say some things will never be the same. But still.

Okay, here is my only concern about what they said they might do with the Underdog....... JUGGERNAUT. I have da 80% win ratio for jugg, which is pretty good. The thing is, Jugg is based on already balancing lvls. Here's the way a typical battle will look (with lvl diff comps):
You are eLvL x. Your two opponets are each eLvL (x minus 6-10). You are, therefore, facing a total eLvL of 2(x minus 6-10), which is going to be a good deal higher than x unless you are lvl 20-22.

Therefore, I strongly oppose Underdog in Jugg. Really, it should be the Jugg who gets the boost, but since that prob wont happen (tho i would be happy if it did), I think it should not happen at all. Jugg would be impossible with extra boosts for your opponents.

Just a Thought.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/15/2015 17:55:33)

When Underdog is implemented into Juggernaut, it will be the Jugg getting the boost - not the other two players.



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/15/2015 18:43:08)

@ Ranloth

I hope you and the team get it right because at the lower levels Jugs aren't haven't trouble like at the higher levels. The last thing lower level juggernaut who are already getting good wins need is a boost against some players who can't even defend themselves due to lack of decent builds.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= May 8th, 2015 - Patch Notes - 1.6.45 (Balance) (5/16/2015 2:20:31)

Suggestion of increasing the level requirement to enter Juggernaut Mode (as the Jugg) has been noted down, so once we expand Underdog to 2v2 (which should share the same buffs as the one in 1v1), we can review Juggernaut and see what will be done there - since it'll have its own "Underdog"; level differences are different, Jugg would get the boost and not the other two players, etc.

I'd much rather see it increase to L30, and possibly price lowered down (for the Card) to compensate, because the pool would get smaller. Those under that level would get to keep the card, but probably not enter the Mode until L30. It's much easier to balance over the span of 10 levels (and higher levels are often more stable) than over 20 levels, and taking into account factors like: 1) level differences, 2) player knowledge, 3) cores (which are more common at around L25+, than at ~L20), 4) build trends (since some are better at lower level than higher), etc.



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