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Skinless -> Atom Smasher (6/13/2015 6:13:17)

Weapon required for Assimilation, Energy Parasite, EMP Grenade, Static Grenade & Static Smash: NONE

For Atom Smasher required: CLUB

So Atom Smasher shouldn't have this requirement, because it's really annoying when you need to take opponent's energy and you need to use club which takes 2 stats from str, dex, tech & supp comparing with sword which adds 2 more stats than club.



.Lord Ginger. -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/13/2015 9:53:03)

True, although would need a nerf because drains a lot of energy on 1 I believe...



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/13/2015 12:13:37)

Not supported.

As it is not TLM is the class that has the least weapon required moves. Changing atom smasher so it doesn't have to use a club with make so TLM would never 0 drawbacks to using swords and clubs would be obsolete for this class.




.Lord Ginger. -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/13/2015 16:23:28)

I guess...



RaXZerGamingZ -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 14:19:26)

yes , it does indeed drain allot of mana but my opinion is that all energy ctealing attacks should cost 0 mana



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 14:26:19)

@ raxzergamingz

All energy stealing moves do have 0 cost. However energy Draining moves like EMP has a cost because it only destroys energy not give it back.

If they did what you suggested CH would gain a massive buff since they have the best energy draining nuke in the game next to TLM's.



Lord Machaar -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 21:08:08)

quote:

As it is not TLM is the class that has the least weapon required moves. Changing atom smasher so it doesn't have to use a club with make so TLM would never 0 drawbacks to using swords and clubs would be obsolete for this class.


If the problem here is number of skills each class has that require a special weapon to be used, then make atom smasher usable with sword, and change stun grenade with maul, problem solved.



Cloaked_Shadow -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 21:45:43)

Stun grenade is hardly used, unless you want TLM OP with Atom...Hell, I'd go tlm if atom was sword



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 21:48:12)

@ Lord Machaar

Try again. BH also shares Stun grenade. Making Stun grenade require a club would make it so BH would need a maul as well which this class doesn't use.



Uchiha Sarada -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 21:52:55)

Mother ok then make Artillery Strike requiere a maul so it can also become the only multi with wep requierement althought it doesnt make sense to have a maul so you can use some kind of phone.



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 22:32:01)

@ Uchiha Sarada

Artillery strike is also shared by Merc's as well which means this will affect them as well.

Plus unlike TLM who only has two moves that require a maul Mercs already 3 moves that require a club.

Maul, Berzerker, and double strike. This change would make it so they have four moves that need a maul.



Uchiha Sarada -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/15/2015 22:55:33)

Mother1: Thats ok, Im fine with that also.



King Bling -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 9:07:50)

Mother1 can tlm nuke like merc? no, can tlm use 2 shields at once like merc? no, can tlm get extra rage like merc? no.
On the other hand, can merc stun like tlm? yes, can merc use surge like tlm? yes, can merc get health from any skill in its arsenal? yes.

Atm, energy gain of a merc is pathetic, believe me once it gets fixed, all you will see is mercs. GL



Lord Machaar -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 10:37:46)

quote:

Try again. BH also shares Stun grenade. Making Stun grenade require a club would make it so BH would need a maul as well which this class doesn't use.


You probably haven't read my reply very well. I said change (replace) stun grenade with maul. I didn't say make stun grenade usable with special weapon only.
In conclusion, this will hit 2 birds with one stone, stun grenade isn't used by TLMs anyways, changing it with maul will give another reason for TLMs to use their special weapon, especially when aiming for strenght builds (maul + double strike).



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 12:02:11)

@ Lord Machaar

With the say strength has been nerfed? Not a good idea, if anything Frenzy needs to go back to being used with a club seeing as TLM already has a way to get back energy besides Frenzy (Battery backup) and with Atom masher going to being being used with a sword (if this goes through that is) then they would have a way to drain energy without the class weapon. But personally the logic being this suggestion along with my reasoning make me not support it.



Lord Machaar -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 12:22:12)

I didn't fully understand what did you want to transmit, but making atom smasher usable with sword will ofcourse come with nerfs, being blockable, less energy drained, just like assimilation and static smash, assimilation bing a mini-skill of static smash, same thing could go with atom smasher and EMP grenade, plus the fact that atom smasher can be blockable.
As for frenzy, it was already nerfed undirectly with the strenght nerf.



King Bling -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 14:19:47)

@Mother1

quote:

With the say strength has been nerfed? Not a good idea, if anything Frenzy needs to go back to being used with a club seeing as TLM already has a way to get back energy besides Frenzy (Battery backup) and with Atom masher going to being being used with a sword (if this goes through that is) then they would have a way to drain energy without the class weapon.


Assimilation of tm, doesnt need class weapon, drains energy, receives energy, energy drain not blockable, increases with something, so what not atomic smash.
Plus it shouldnt be blockable



Mother1 -> RE: Atom Smasher (6/16/2015 14:30:44)

@ King Bling

I never said make it blockable. That was Lors Machaar.

Also why not? because as it stands now Atom smasher is the only reason why TLM would even use a club (Which most don't anyways) This change will OP the class due to making it not have any downsides to swords.

If this move gets changed there needs to still be a reason for the class to use a class weapon like the other classes. As it stands now there are hardly any drawbacks to not using swords with this class.

Lastly the old excuse "All the other classes, or X class has it like this so it is only fair Y class gets this without looking at the big picture of the class not balance at all."



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