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Xendran -> Offer Credit Versions of Varium Only Cores (11/30/2018 7:05:58)

The way it is now is literally the definition of pay2win. It's beyond overdue. (Especially with the discrepancy in core power level. Absorption is so far beyond every other passive core in the game, as an example. Other cores should be this powerful too.)
You can make them very expensive, but it really isn't acceptable to have them be Varium only considering the current gaming climate.




NDB -> RE: Offer Credit Versions of Varium Only Cores (11/30/2018 10:07:54)

There are only about five varium exclusive cores in the game right unless you count permanently rare stuff (most of which are garbage or underwhelming like Curse, Curse Aura, Stun Shot): Absorption, Massive Strike, Frostbite, Chairman's Fury, and Thorn Assault. And Absorption is technically available for Credits on the Blood Hawk Armor. It's possible that Soul Siphon might also be varium exclusive, but no one knows at this point.

Chairman's Fury is currently terrible. Frostbite can be replaced with Frost Shards in basically any build. Yes, Frostbite does cost a bit less energy, but it doesn't change primary to Energy damage (which is useful for some of builds) and is blockable. Thorn Assault is only a hair better than Meteor Shower which isn't that great to begin with. Massive Strike is less useful than Strength boost for basically any build except high Support builds and certain Merc/BM builds since Bunker/Plasma have a 25% crit rate. And Absorption is suicide against any build except Focus builds (which make up only about a third of the population based on this recent data) and, if you go second, the opponent can just use robot while you have full energy to get around it that time. It's similar to Pyro Fly in that in some battles it is a free win because of how broken the effect is, but plenty of times it's a big fail.

I suppose the Omega cores are technically varium-only too since the Omega weapons are varium-only... but the Yeti Charge is useless for 99% of competitive builds these days and because the weapons come pre-loaded with the Yeti Charge, any build that wants to use Override foregoes +6 Strength or whatever other passive core that they may have wanted to use. And Override is arguably less useful or only about the same usefulness than Frost Shards for basically any build except possibly Support CH.

Basically, I would say that your win rate will rarely improve to a significant degree just because you bought some varium cores, and in some cases your win rate might decrease if they end up sucking for your build.

At the end of the day, it is still technically pay2win, sure. I'm not trying to prove that it's not. But it's just not nearly as bad or necessary to change it as might seem. I'm not really against the idea, but I'd also be happy without it too.

On a side not, we are already really lucky that Massive Strike, Frostbite, Chairman's Fury, and Thorn Assault were brought back at all because they used to be permanently rare (only available on the rare promo weapons they originally came out on). Celtic Cleaver was already brought back with a credit price and the Friday the 13th weapons, which can also be bought with credits, have a core that is basically a remake of Curse. As someone who owns all of these promos, I'd feel a bit weird if all their cores just came back for credits.




Xendran -> RE: Offer Credit Versions of Varium Only Cores (11/30/2018 13:02:14)

Rare cores are fundamentally bad for the game as they discourage new players from playing, and impede their ability to compete and access strategic options. I have the best of these cores as well, but it makes no sense when you look at almost every other popular PVP game on PC and why they don't have systems like this.

Technically I'd be reducing my ability to win by giving all players access to what I have, but it's better for the health of the game.
Absorption really is not suicide against most builds. Some of the stronger builds out there are good enough against non-focus builds to not need a passive armor core, but struggle with focus builds. Absorption allows you to tech these builds to make up for their weakness in a way that is extremely potent. It's not an automatic power boost, but when it works it does far more than anything else. Honestly I'd love to see most cores be at this power level and being more situational.




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