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Kurtz96 -> Comparing Burn of water guests (2/16/2020 15:45:34)

Pyre Rat has a 2.5 power 3 turn burn
Infernal Legion Minion has a 1.94 power 4 turn burn

Which one is more powerful? Is it as simple as multiplying the power by the number of turn? Is the power level a % of melee or % of enemy HP?




Legendary Ash -> RE: Comparing Burn of water guests (2/16/2020 16:11:52)

A power 1 Burn equates to 10% melee, therefore 2.5*3= 7.5, 1.94*4 = 7.76, the info subs for Minion has yet to be released, therefore we don't know how potent the save is, if its +20 to +0 to Save for monster bonus, Minion would be weaker.
Keep in mind that Pyre rat uses gold to increase damage, so even if Minion's Burn is stronger, the total output of Rat is higher.




Kurtz96 -> RE: Comparing Burn of water guests (2/16/2020 22:48:44)

So here are the info subs for Infernal Legion Minion:
Magic Water guest, neutral BtH lean and base/random leans. MC effect is that it toggles between +5% damage or paying MC and 50% of guest damage (so total of 33% Melee) to attempt a Water Burn on the enemy. 33% Melee on a 50% save doubles to 66% Melee, /0.85 since it has to hit, and split it among four turns. The Burn attack has two hits, so the Burn lasts <Hits*2> turns, and deals (66/0.85/4 = ~19.41)% Melee per turn. 50% save, inflicts with CHA/LUK, mob resists with DEX/LUK.

And here is Pyre Rat:
Water guest, works like Nezujimbo. Has one attack where you pay him 1.25% of the normal gold reward from a mob at <CostLvl> Lv for a 115% damage attack, and a second where you pay him 2.5% of gold reward for a 125% damage attack that gives up half its damage to attempt a Water Burn, 3 turns, Power:2.5*Hits/2. Burn inflicts with CHA/LUK and resist with DEX/LUK. If not paid, he doesn't act.

So is it true to say Pyre rat is stronger in terms of damage, but infernal minion has the stronger burn?




Legendary Ash -> RE: Comparing Burn of water guests (2/17/2020 0:45:42)

Yes, Pyre Rat is stronger overall, but Minion has the stronger burn.




Ryu Draco -> RE: Comparing Burn of water guests (2/17/2020 3:20:30)

Also Pyre Rat has the gold cost. Not exactly an issue for most players, but some people may find this to be a deciding factor.




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