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LUPUL LUNATIC -> MC no downtrigger is less than a 5% damage MC (9/16/2020 12:43:51)

Ok so trigger items have some balancing problems not only the MC no downtrigger but i will discuss the MC no downtrigger here first as this problem is simple to solve and mathematically unbalanced.

Currently general consensus for trigger items is the fact that they deal +10% damage versus Monster type and -5% damage versus anything else. There isn't much to discuss here (for now albeit there are problems here too for another day).

Taking for example a weapon like Purifying Crescent Blade it has a trigger on average +10% damage versus Undead.
However the weapon is also Mastercrafted but instead of getting a plain extra 5% damage MC it gets no downtrigger MC.

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Purifying Crescent Blade : Trigger = +~10% damage versus Undead
Downtrigger : Standard damage versus anything else ( so -5% for downtrigger +5% damage MC )


The problem is that if the weapon had just a plain +5% damage MC instead of no downtrigger (which is supposed to be worth a MC) we will have :

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Purifying Crescent Blade : Trigger = +~10% damage versus Undead AND +5% damage MC (note that downtrigger penalty happens if weapon is NOT triggered)
Downtrigger : Standard damage versus anything else ( so -5% for downtrigger +5% damage MC )


As we can see there is a mathematical problem with MC no downtrigger rather than MC +5% damage, mainly the no downtrigger MC being worth less than a plain 5% extra damage MC.






ruleandrew -> RE: MC no downtrigger is less than a 5% damage MC (9/17/2020 3:07:09)

I think master craft no down trigger is worth 0.95 * (+ 5 % damage master craft). How often does the up trigger get used?

If a fix is needed, increase the damage on up trigger by (+ 5 % damage).




LUPUL LUNATIC -> RE: MC no downtrigger is less than a 5% damage MC (9/17/2020 9:59:35)

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If a fix is needed, increase the damage on up trigger by (+ 5 % damage).


Yes that is what needs to be done while i have shown some mathematically imbalances between MC no downtrigger and MC +5% damage for trigger items.




Darches -> RE: MC no downtrigger is less than a 5% damage MC (10/1/2020 18:23:06)

AQ is not, never has been, and never will be balanced. Even with a misplaced MC the weapon will still hit harder when triggered. The idea is that if you're using an undead slaying weapon then you're fighting in the graveyard.
However, the difference between a trigger weapon and MC weapon is so insignificant that trigger weapons are never worth buying. The boosts should be stronger anyway.




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