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AstralCodex -> RE: =DF= January 29th Design Notes: Book 3: Reimagined: Specials and DeathKnights! (2/4/2021 18:47:20)
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^underpowered DK, he says.
*laughs in Ascended ChickenCow Lord*
Take a look at the CC (All Versions) thread and specifically at the list of issues I have so far identified with the ACCL and see how really outdated the class is. It's pretty much stuck in DF 2014, instead of 2021, where it should belong.
Deathknight is not as bad as ACCL, but it certainly deserves a rework. I'd imagine ACCL is a lower priority, but I also wouldn't say no to more decent and unique non DC non SO classes.
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Is it not weird that all pre-CW DC, story and holiday armors are somehow still holding up? Since one of them was recently buffed to DF 2021 levels of OP, two of them are effectively discount DmK, and the last one is effectively an unkillable tank because of potential 90+ AllRes and On-Hit special spam?
I don't think it's weird at all, as this is in large part due to revamps. Let's start with the DC classes. Entropy and KAA and ChW were all pretty good on release and are still very good now. Until the recent revamp, Pyro was pretty meh. AExo is still pretty boring due to low damage despite being an incredible tank, and I wouldn't consider IBR or GPS to be anywhere near modern.
Meanwhile, for story classes, every early story class besides the Ateleans been revamped since 2015. The Atelea armors were incredibly powerful on release in 2013, and can be thought of as the first "modern" class designs. Techno, Ranger, Pirate, Ninja, Necromancer, Paladin, the Dragon base classes, Master Soulweaver, and even DragonSlayer all got revamps since 2015 that brought them in line. Of these, DeathKnight also received a revamp, but it is still fairly meh after revamp, as it is neither an incredibly powerful class like Techno or Ranger or a class with a clear niche like Paladin, Necromancer, or DragonSlayer.
I also wouldn't say that the holiday armors hold up. Togslayer is decent (though still meh) because of decent damage, and EPL is an amazing tank, but Frost Moglin is clearly underpowered and Shadow Hunter is not much better.
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One of them was Togslayer, with which I did AARGH and Antechamber, as well as Spiral of Creation, and I am certain I could keep going. The strange part, is that things like Ninja and (Dread) Pirate still work better than some Tier 3 armors with general item builds on most Inn bosses without special gimmicks
Ash's tier system is out of date anyways, so I wouldn't use it as a reference for power levels. But yes, most classes can do most inn challenges. In fact, ACCL can even do IE (without hamsters!)
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But somehow it just so happens that it's the Ascended ChickenCow, which is collecting dust for a long time - it is so bad in fact, it has no use right now, not even for random questing. It's non-DC and DC gear are also outdated. If that isn't funny and silly, then I don't know what is at this point in the game. And somehow, nobody notices. It baffles me.
I mean, very few classes have a unique niche. You can certainly use ACCL for challenges - for example, LukeWarmBanana and I have both done IE with ACCL - but yes, it's not optimal for anything. Neither is Pirate, or Deathknight, or Paladin, or Ninja, or many other classes.
I'm pretty sure many people notice that ACCL isn't good, in fact, there were complaints on release that it wasn't good enough. The real joke is that ACCL has a longer CD on its signature move than either ECCL or CCL.
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But what is the point of the weapon now? For those who've had it for a decade, the item simply lost both use and selling value. Might as well just remove it from the game and refund the 500 or whatever DCs everyone paid for it, if such an option is feasible. Or could've simply made it to debuff -50 VoidRes, instead of worthless -10 VoidRes.
It's still usable for bosses outside of the Inn, as it was on release. In fact, there are now way more challenging bosses outside of the Inn that you can freely use hamsters on such as Yllmar or some recent Story Bosses. If you have bought it for a decade, then there's basically been 6 more years of content that you can freely use it on, and then you can still use it on >75% of the content that came out in the 4 years after.
EDIT: Also, apologies to the forum mods for derailing the topic, feel free to let me know if we should move threads or something.
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