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Deaf of Destiny -> Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (3/24/2021 19:35:26)

It has been a long time since we have more FD/FO. I will say it is good for hybrid warrior/mage or many. i kinda of miss old lean and old strategy




Zennistrad -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (4/8/2021 10:29:00)

The problem with Mid-Defensive and Mid-Offensive armors is that there is literally no reason to use them over fully-offensive or fully-defensive armors. In 90% of cases they're a straight downgrade to to FD/FO leans.

Mid-Defensive armors get hit with this particularly badly. With mid-offensive armors you at least get some benefit from the reduced damage output compared to FOs by taking less damage in turn, but MDs offer literally nothing that FDs don't do better. They still have you deal the same amount of damage with 100-procs as fully-defensive armors, but you take 1.125 times the damage of a fully-defensive armors. The only time mid-defensive armors were ever useful was in the early days of modern leans, when there just were not enough fully-defensive armors around to cover all of the elements and you had to take MDs in their place.

That said, I do think that Neutral-lean armors will still have plenty of niches. Vampire and Werewolf subrace armors are to be neutral-lean when not in beast mode (or they're supposed to: they currently aren't, due to a bug), but they provided so much utility outside of beast mode that the neutral lean doesn't even matter if you're not going all-out offensive in transformed mode. Likewise, the Paladin Armor is currently bugged so that the leans provided by Mantra of Alignment don't work, but that honestly doesn't matter because Paladin class is so versatile and powerful that it'd still be the best light armor in the game even if it were exclusively neutral-lean.

Neutral-lean I can reasonably see being the default going forward for any armor that's primarily designed for utility, rather than straight offense or defense. In fact, I imagine that class armors will likely default to neutral leans in the upcoming revamps.




Lorekeeper -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (4/8/2021 11:18:58)

Mantra of Alignment has been fixed for a while. Is it bugged again?




Zennistrad -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (4/8/2021 13:20:52)

^I actually haven't checked in a good while, so it could be fixed now. I was more bringing it up for rhetorical purposes




ruleandrew -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (4/8/2021 20:18:25)

Players like to pick a specialist role in term of armour protection.




Sapphire -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (5/12/2021 13:59:22)

No, they dont need to be returned. I do think they should come up with some other leans that give items more utility. Spellcaster lean is one example they've already used. I have been cooking an idea for a lean about an Armor of Awe revamp idea I have. I been looking at the idea and low and behold, it isnt too dissimilar from some ideas implemented with Neko armors. I just discovered these when I started playing a bit more recently.

But some new ideas are probably better than bringing those leans back.




Aura Knight -> RE: Should Neutral, MO and MD return? (5/12/2021 19:26:56)

Neutral and MO sure, I'm all for that. MD, please no don't give them ideas. It makes little sense to have. To this day I'm unaware of when it would be useful. If defensive you'd rather go full defense and why go anything between FD and Neutral?




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