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Mauritio -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/12/2021 4:08:32)

Strange I have received 25 tokens from someone as a gift and nothing happened [X(] even though I won a battle.



roobee -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/12/2021 19:29:22)

Just making sure. ReignDragon Rider is seasonal right?
It was a 2015 Deliver War reward which is usually permarare I think? However it is special since for years before the delivery war it was found in LTS every Frostval. Which could explain why it would be seasonal after the delivery war.



Dr Disrespect -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/13/2021 7:48:00)

@robee
Yes, Reigndragon Rider is seasonal.



Sapphire -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/13/2021 12:47:57)

Anyone confirm they've received the misc?



Heroes of the Scape -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/13/2021 16:31:49)

I don't have one, but I know some that do.



Sir Cloud -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/13/2021 18:51:37)

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Anyone confirm they've received the misc?

Yes, got 1 on an alt. char already. So it is working. [:)]



PD -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/14/2021 1:50:11)

Received the Crown misc today. And a plea to the staff:

For the tokens, the contest has worked well. Although people have been donating the minimum amount, 25 free tokens is still a significant amount (it's half your daily cap for guardians, and 100% for F2P!). However, people are also doing this for gold, which the minimum is 100. While receipts have been handed out regularly, getting a 100 gold receipt doesn't really move the needle much on receipts. So a few suggestions:

1. Increase the number of daily winners from 5 each, to 25 each. This will also reduce/stop the current behavior of people trying to win multiple of the prizes on multiple characters due to FOMO. Increasing the number of daily winners to 25 reduces pressure to try to get the prize, but also still incentivizes enough people to try to donate regularly.
2. Only allow a valid gold raffle ticket if you donate at least 1 million gold. This will ensure that gold keeps getting received at a acceptably high rate.
3. Also, to incentive raffles, allow 10 people in each contest to become part of the top ranks at the end.

Ideally, either the crown and/or the top 150 misc remains a participatory prize. Hope there's still either time to make a change or the next contest we'll still have participatory prizes that aren't only cosmetic.



Heroes of the Scape -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/14/2021 9:52:38)

@above:

I see where you're coming from, however, I do not agree.

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1. Increase the number of daily winners from 5 each, to 25 each. This will also reduce/stop the current behavior of people trying to win multiple of the prizes on multiple characters due to FOMO. Increasing the number of daily winners to 25 reduces pressure to try to get the prize, but also still incentivizes enough people to try to donate regularly.


This is not the answer to people's FOMO addiction. Adding more rewards will not solve that. Where does it end? Next time 50 per day won't be enough. A line must be drawn somewhere. I think the 10 per day is good. People need to learn to get over themselves. If you don't win, move on with your life. It's not that big a deal. Besides, if I understand correctly, you can only win one of them anyways, not both.

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2. Only allow a valid gold raffle ticket if you donate at least 1 million gold. This will ensure that gold keeps getting received at a acceptably high rate.

This one I am completely against. Doing this will lock out lower level characters that don't have as easy access to gold. I have a level 20 character that wouldn't be able to donate 10,000 gold every day let alone 1 million without buying GGBs to make up the difference. Putting that limitation essentially makes these giveaways high level character only affairs.

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3. Also, to incentive raffles, allow 10 people in each contest to become part of the top ranks at the end.

Not sure what you mean by this, but just because you win a random prize doesn't mean you should jump to the top of the leaderboard. That would invalidate everything the top donators did to get there.

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Ideally, either the crown and/or the top 150 misc remains a participatory prize. Hope there's still either time to make a change or the next contest we'll still have participatory prizes that aren't only cosmetic.

What's wrong with the participation item being a cosmetic? 25 tokens for a face is a steal. No one is forced to donate anything if they don't want to. If anything, the way it was done in the summer would work better. Give 1k tokens for the lowest level reward above the face.



sunblaze -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 11:38:37)

For what particular reason are there 2 Guardian Giftboxes in each shop?
I mean sure we got the free one. But why a 5000 z-token version?

Are those being 2 different sets? one free and one for a small z-token price?



dr jo -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 11:44:49)

@sunblaze if people want to have them instead of gold as lower so/MP costs due to being LV143 be my guess



sunblaze -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 11:47:19)

Maybe but those few points for 5000 token? Well I was hoping for a second set. Too bad [8D]
Very wierd.



dr jo -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 11:57:09)

Can not see being different sets due to extra work and backlash would get from most people but come characters I know have 500K Ztokens may buy the z-token option



Heroes of the Scape -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 11:58:12)

It will be the same set. I'm not sure why they still have it, but they do.



Lv 1000 -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 12:39:55)

Yeah it’s the same set. I wonder if the token versions are also guardian tagged. Might be a way to give your adventurer characters the items?



Sapphire -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/15/2021 12:50:30)

No matter what, whatever system is implemented it will have flaws. Probably should just find the one with the least amount of them, and I think level tiers need to happen.



aq DarkKnight -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/16/2021 1:00:56)

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We have crossed the trillion mark!

Great job, everyone. We have broken our last year Gold donation record! Let's keep it up. We might reach two trillion if we keep going at this steady rate.



battlesiege15 -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/16/2021 10:16:36)

Weren't the token ones implemented for those players who could not reach level 150 but still wanted it? Like they were level 144 at the time of giftboxen?



roobee -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/16/2021 17:43:33)

Presumably token giftboxes would allow you to get multiple boxes of one type. There has been at least once before where this would be helpful (cometoid pet).

Alternatively you could use multiple guardian characters and a vault.

Someone told me that can use vault get multiple copies of giftboxes, obsoleting that aspect of z-token giftboxes.
However adventurers can buy z-token giftboxes, allowing for easier storage after years of accumulating guardian rares.
edit: nvm, it's cheaper to buy an extra inventory slot than a z-token gift box


Posts merged. Please do not double, instead use the Edit button. -Digital X



PD -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (12/21/2021 15:16:05)

Finally donated all my stored gold! A couple of reflections.

1. Probably not going to reach 400b, which I think is the practical upper limit. More likely hit 330-340b at this point. 500b is *definitely* impossible unless you're willing to spend THAT much money.

2. Will still continue to donate afterwards. But not as much in so many days because I don't have any more stored gold. But I'll still be doing this consistently as I really would like to avoid that last week rush by spreading out my donations (and I think people would appreciate that more). I still advise the rest of you people to do this regularly as well because while the QoL changes have made improvements, it's still pretty monotonous and slow overall.

3. Still another plea for the staff to increase the raffle winnings on the frostval crowns. Perhaps 25 is too much (because there are two contests) but perhaps 10 or 15 for each contest (so 20-30 more winners per day) would be adequate.

4. Gold donations are still cumbersome if you have a lot donated. Still another appeal to make some last QoL changes on this area, especially for those donating chests. Ideally for this workflow it should work like the weapon element change where the game is on standby and passively donates 100m gold every 45 seconds until it's over.

5. After doing more testing, it seems the truer cooldown is somewhere between 30-45 seconds. It seems that if you go right ahead and instantly try to donate after the 20 seconds, you'll get a failure message, and attempting to brute force it will indefinitely increase the wait timer. So it's advised to wait. Waiting 5 seconds is faster than brute forcing for 20 seconds. I've not been able to pin this down but perhaps someone with more gold can test this out.



Primate Murder -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/4/2022 4:03:56)

We have crossed two trillion gold donation mark!



PD -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/4/2022 14:57:16)

By my estimation (from a tool I'll release to the public as soon as I work out the finishing details), people are still holding back anywhere between 1.4-1.5 trillion (so the "real" estimate is somewhere between 3.4-3.5 trillion if everyone actually did donate what they had) which implies there's nearly as much gold that hasn't been possibly donated as much as there has been. I'm actually thinking that with how much time we have, 4 trillion is actually within possibility. Although I still don't know why people are holding back so much though. Donating gold still is extremely inconvenient and I'm not sure people entirely understand that (or if they do they are still crazy). I cannot fathom myself donating *that* much gold again in a single day or even a span of a few days which is why I've been donating in small batches. Experiencing that tedium again would drive me to madness.



Sapphire -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/4/2022 15:01:14)

People are holding back until the end. I bet the top 150 are likely waiting to ensure they stay within, holding back, then unleash if they have to. But if they dont have to, then why donate more.

Like as for myself, I'm good making top 150. I will donate if I slip, but wont if I don't. I bet others are in the same boat.

At the end of the day, I still think these donation systems should not be top x get this, but rather about donating benchmarks. That might mean more players get items, which is more work for staff unless there's some universal check and universal item give-out mechanism based on that, but to me it's the best system. Or some type of level bracket system, maybe.



battlesiege15 -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/4/2022 15:30:49)

Oof, I hope not. I don't have enough gold to keep staying in the top 150 :(



PD -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/6/2022 22:13:05)

So after some more delay (because the deploy env I was using wasn't able to support what I was trying to do so I had to fall back to something more traditional), here's the gold ranks list.

Some things:
1. This data only refreshes itself once every hour, or until someone accesses the project again. Getting the data is fairly expensive time and data-wise so I'd like to minimize the calls the service makes. But as a result of this caching it might be outdated. Depending on request I can reduce this timer as we get closer to the end of the contest.
2. You can click on the bottom for some pagination controls. That stuff should be fairly self-explanatory.
3. You can click on the headers to sort by that attribute. Clicking on that row again will reverse the order. By default, it's sorted by the "possible" gold metric. I should improve the UI later...
4. You can click on the player name to open a new tab for a new page. You can click the home button next to that name to see their sellable items in vault/inventory, and their possible alt characters.
5. Still, with all of this it'll be pretty imperfect because players will do a vareity of things and we don't even know if people will go all in or just go "enough" to reach a current threshold.
6. I think if we all try hard enough, 4 billion is definitely within reach with the amount of time we have. Again the staff should do something nice when we get there.
7. Probably won't make a similar list for tokens because people tend to behave differently and the token numbers are hidden.
8. As of this post the "real" threshold for the top ranks is currently: (And these will definitely go up/down as the contest reaches its end.)

  • Top 50: 14,347,848,347 Gold
  • Top 100: 5,917,222,170 Gold
  • Top 150: 3,899,210,108 Gold

    9. The "Possible" metric consists of: All the Sellables in your inventory + vault + current Gold + currently donated gold. Keep in mind people may or may not choose to go 100%. But potentials are still useful. The "Sellables" list is currently limited to the most notable sellable items, and a few other items. This list of sellables will of course be incomplete as there's virtually an infinite numbero f items you can sell, but it's most useful to keep track of the items that people tend to use the most commonly. But if by request I'll add more to that to track.

    PS. Sorry Cupquake for the wait!

    Any feedback is appreciated of course.



    • Primate Murder -> RE: =AQ= Frostval 2021 Begins (1/23/2022 21:56:11)

    Last week remaining for the Donation Contest!



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