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Grace Xisthrith -> Questions about Fallen Angel Set and the stat revamp (12/9/2023 13:37:54)
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My goal for the purpose of this thread is to ask questions about the Fallen Angel Vindication Set (mostly the armor), and see if we the playerbase can potentially learn about new standards in balance that may be coming post stat revamp, and if we could get any relevant details on the stat revamp. If staff for any reason don't want to reveal this information, please feel free to delete the thread. Or, if any players want to comment their personal theories on the balance standard, I think that would be interesting as well.
Here I've quoted the relevant parts of the infosubs, shortening and deleting parts so it takes up less space. If you're confused about the armor, feel free to read the full info subs
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Fallen Angel's Vindication
Unbroken Loyalty: Toggle, pay 20% SP for a boost to pet and guest damage. The damage is +17.5% at 0 STR and +25% at expected STR (max: 26.5%)
Commander's Onslaught: Darknes Melee weapon-based skill. Efficient (x1.8 baseline instead of x2). Instead of STR, it uses 1.25*(STR+CHA)/2 for BTH and damage. If used with Fallen Angel Ambition (the crossbow) then this enhances the weapon's default attack.
Bonus: Takes -9 blocking (already factored in) for the following effects:
Once per battle when you are hit, if you are below 50% health then you gain 1 turn of Pet+Guest Celerity.
After your pet or guest attack, it can inflict your foe with Poison (Pet Power:0.2, Guest Power:0.3, 2 turns, heal HP equal to damage dealt). The mob can resist with a save at a +0 bouns (inflict with CHA/STR, resist with END/LUK).
And, the only relevant part of the weapon (IMO), its impact on reducing guest upkeep having different rules for boosters
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NOTE: These guest upkeep modifiers don't affect booster guests. Or at least they shouldn't. Please report any that do.
I want to point at a few interesting cases, the Unbroken Loyalty Toggle, the weapon based skill stat damage and bth, and the pet and guest poison, and the weapon's lack of impact on booster guests.
The Unbroken Loyalty Toggle has several similar abilities currently in game, most easily comparable are Regal Reigndragon's pet and guest damage and accuracy boost (+20% damage and +8.5 bth) for 30% melee in SP, and Axe of Kindness' 25% pet and guest damage boost for 25% melee in damage. Regal Reigndragon and Axe of Kindness pay exactly as expected, assuming pets and guests are totaled at 100% melee, 40 for pets, 60 for guests. This new toggle however pays 20% for a maximum of 25% damage, but it also scales off stats, and presumably with 1 stat invested, it would give 21.25% damage, halfway between 17.5% and 25%. So, this gives me a few questions, since this toggle gives more value than you'd expect for its SP cost. The explanations I've considered are:
1: Since it scales with a stat "unrelated" to pets and guests, it's given extra power compared to the other options I've listed, as they technically don't require stats to use
2: Since it scales with a Mainstat but boosts a feature of a substat, there is a new standard to boost the power of combining two of these stats (discussed further later), and players are compensated for that with a slight power boost (20% would be expected by the SP cost, this finishes at 25% output), so a 25% increase for using a Mainstat scaling on a substat.
Will this standard of a 25% boost be applied to other applications? Like say in theory, the Axe of Kindness weapons requiring a mainstat to actually do damage, so would their +25% damage be multiplied by 1.25x?
Next topic is the weapon based skill toggle, and it is directly related to my second explanation listed just above. It seems to be using STR and CHA together for stats, and the stat damage appears to be multiplied by 1.25x, which provides evidence for that new standard I just theorized. If so, does the entire skill do 1.25x damage, or is just the stat damage increased, so the entire skill would deal (on average) 1.125x damage? Is the rationale behind this standard using a mainstat and substat together, so they receive a 1.25x power boost? Or is there another potential standard or rationale for this scaling? Would this Mainstat + Substat combo 1.25x multiplier also apply to effects that use END, or LUK? (I'd guess END yes but LUK no, as LUK has been an assumed stat in the past)
Next topic is the pet and guest poison. If the guests' poisons will always be power .3 compared to the pets' poisons at power .2, does this mean the ratio of guest power = 1.5 pet power is staying during the stat revamp? Does this also mean guest output will stay at the current 60% melee? I'm very much in favor of this for various reasons (chiefly of which making guests like Mogdin or Corgi not have their status inflictions randomly inconsitent when they're intended to be consistent), so I'd personally be happy to hear if that is confirmed. If not, it'll be interesting either way and I'll be excited to change up my builds.
Finally, the weapon's guest cost reduction. It seems to not apply to boosters, does that mean booster guest upkeep will be on a different standard post stat revamp, and if so, is there any chance we might be able to learn what that standard is? Two related points, if most boosters (not leprechan and manifestation I think, but that's it) require a Mainstat and Substat to be at full power, will they receive a 1.25x power boost (or cost reduction, or something), just like the above theorized Mainstat + Substat scaling boosts? And secondly, if the weapon also takes a Mainstat and CHA to function effectively, would it also receive a 1.25x boost to its effect, reducing guest cost by 12.5% melee instead of 10%?
I'm excited to see the stat revamp come out, and I'm curious if this set uses modern precedents that will be applied post stat revamp, or if I'm just grasping at straws. Either way, I'll be curious to see others thoughts on the topic
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