=AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions

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Lorekeeper -> =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 10:45:59)
Hello everyone! To improve spellcaster lean coverage, I'd like to ask for your feedback about armors that are obviously designed with a spellcasting style, but have a neutral lean. After gathering a list, I'll be able to change them to Spellcaster Lean and submit the changes to the team for revision. Conditionally, I may note offensive lean armors as well, but only if the lean is clearly at cross-purposes for the item's design. This is not a thread to request full item redesigns. There hasn't been time to onboard me on item design; changing leans is generally a trivial variable change. The point of this thread is to keep to that change in order to improve coverage without adding more work to Ianthe and Kamui's plates. It's essentially just an attempt to help both them and spellcasting players by tweaking what I'm able to in my free time. The only change I can implement myself is the change to Spellcaster Lean, please don't ask for other revamps. In addition, we will not be changing Bloodmage armors into the new Spellcaster Lean. Their design is intentional, paying a different kind of risk for their output, and we do NOT want to give them a major jump in power creep. Please do not suggest them. Please follow these rules when replying: Only suggest that are currently available and cover the full range of levels. No-drops are excluded, as they will need an outright revamp and such is beyond the scope of this thread. Don't suggest items that would lose their style if changed to a spellcaster lean. I won't take items away from one build to give them to another. If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-premium item with a clear spellcasting aesthetic. Please keep suggestions to a single reply per user and use the following template for each item: [b]Item:[/b] [b]Item location:[/b] [b]Current Lean:[/b]

neswii -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 11:28:30)
Item: Demonmancer Plate Item location: UR GGB Current Lean: Neutral Item: Armor of Llyr Item location: Celtic Set Current Lean: FD Item: Chronomancer Z Item location: Ztoken Shop Current Lean: Neutral (Also needs its level tiers updated but meh) These next ones are HUGE asks, but… Item: Arcane Ultraguardian Robes/Insightful Armor of Awe/Cloth Robes Item location: Guardian/Guardian/Adventurer No-Drop Current Lean: FO/FD/Neutral Item: Champion Holy Arcanist - FO toggle Item location: Paladin Class Current Lean: FO (Will update as I think of more)

Telcontar Arvedui I -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 11:32:13)
Item: Muscle Mage Item location: Void Boss Wabio Current Lean: FO Infosubs link: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=22392256

1stClassGenesis -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 12:54:44)
Item: Geocastellum Robes Item location: Geocastellum Set Current Lean: FD Item: Taladosian Robes Item location: Taladosian Set Current Lean: FO Not quite, but hopefully worth a consideration: Item: Dark Invader Item location: StarSlayer Current Lean: FO Item: Grenwog Rider Item location: Golden Giftboxes Current Lean: FO

CH4OT1C! -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 12:59:23)
Item: Lightbringer Form Item Location: Lightbringer Shapeshift Current Lean: MO Item: Khandie's Gown Item Location: Snugglefest 2019: Obsession Current Lean: FO Item: Chilly Form Item location: Rare GGB Current Lean: FD. I recognise this may be considered too risky given (i) it could be viewed as removing an option from FD and (ii) SC lean may not affect healing in future, subject to further discussion. However, it could help to boost the healing power of this Armour. Item: Hare Raiser Magician Item Location: Grenwog Egg Shop Current Lean: FO Will add more as I find them.

Mananite -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 13:39:15)
Item: Celtic Armour Item location: Celtic MC Set Current Lean: Fully-Defensive Item: Lightbringer Form Item location: Gnuvain's Abode Current Lean: MO (was supposed to be changed to FO, but ran into issues and has been put into the proverbial backburner?) Item: (Twisted) Cleric of Carnafex Item location: UR GGB Current Lean: Fully-Offensive Item: Demonmancer Plate Item location: UR GGB Current Lean: Neutral Item: Light Lord's Cleric Item location: UR GGB Current Lean: Neutral Item: Chilly Form Item location: Rare GGB Current Lean: Fully-Defensive Item: Knight of the Fire Orb Item location: Frostval 2014 Current Lean: Fully-Defensive Item: Khandie's Gown Item location: Snugglefest 2019 Current Lean: Fully-Offensive Item: Hare Raiser Magician Item location: Grenwog Festival Current Lean: Fully-Offensive (as an aside, this thread really showcases the issues in retrofitting things to be spellcaster, given the distinct lack of modern armours that fit the mold, made worse with the implementation of non-knight armour art being tied to GGBs)

Lorekeeper -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 14:29:39)
Edited the first rule to preclude no-drops and lift the non-seasonal restriction. Only suggest that are currently available and cover the full range of levels. No-drops are excluded, as they will need an outright revamp and such is beyond the scope of this thread.

Sapphire -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 15:39:38)
Item: Seraphim of Ver Item location:UR GGB Current Lean:FD Based on art, Item:Frostgal's Legacy Item location: Frostgal MC Quest Current Lean: Already contains a toggle and doesn't have to be made, but FO with a Neutral Toggle, which forces the armor to use a 100 proc attack. I propose this to be SC and FD instead of FO and N (FD enables 100 proc mode) Item:Baby Sacragon Shapeshift Armor Item location:From a shapeshift spell in Gnuvain's Abode Current Lean: FO Item:Lightbringer Form Item location:Shapeshift Spell from Gnuvain's Abode Current Lean: Mid Offensive Item:Banshee Armor Item location:Shapeshift Spell from Gnuvain's Abode Current Lean:Nuetral Item: Ebony Sepulchre Form Item location: Z token armor shop Current Lean:Nuetral

The Shadowmaster -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/7/2024 23:37:17)
Item: Demonmancer Item Location: Ultra rare GGB Current Lean: Neutral Item: Hare Raiser Magician Item Location: Grenwog Egg Shop Current Lean: FO (Add toggle maybe for FO and SC. Maybe when the egg is toggled) Item: Spark of Serenity Item Location: Harvest fest 2018 Current Lean: Neutral (No light SC that is not GGB and not seasonal)

Lorekeeper -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/8/2024 11:00:11)
As a reminder, folks, this is for armors with a single lean, and I cannot implement a toggle. Please read the main post.

NightofLight -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/9/2024 21:29:22)
Item:Red Pirate Costume Item location:Talk Like A Pirate Current Lean:Neutral Item:Banshee Form Item location:Banshee Shapeshift/Gnuvain's Abode Current Lean:Neutral Item:Chronomancer Z Item location:Z-token Items Shop Current Lean:Neutral Item:Falerin's Bespoke Bedizen Item location:Bizarre Flecks III Part 4 - The Journey Home Current Lean:Neutral

Grace Xisthrith -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/10/2024 20:39:22)
Item: Devilish Item location: Warlic's Shop / Yulgar's Shop Current Lean: FO Item: Bland Truphma Suit Item location: Truphma Saga: Isles of Drudgery Current Lean: Neutral / None Item: Offensive Test Armor Item location: Ballyhoo Post Ad Shop Current Lean: Offensive Item: Osiris Armor Item location: Osiris Set Current Lean: FO Item: Stiltwalker Item location: Zorbak: Jypley's Believe it... or Rot Current Lean: Neutral / None Item: Hunter Armor Item location: Robina: Hunted! Current Lean: FO Please let me know if any of the following three sections aren't fit for the thread. I will remove them if so. Thank you kindly for considering these updates :) Brief rationale: None of these armors have skills of any kind except Hunter Armor. I would like to add support for Celtic Armor, Muscle Mage, Lightbringer Form, Red Pirate Costume. Devilish would be compression SC, has no real purpose as FO, and is "from" Warlic's shop. Bland Truphma Suit has no purpose and would serve as quick SC earth, unlike eternal champ, which has 3 Prereq quests. Offensive test armor has no purpose (Axemaster's Burden is accessible FO wind as well), and despite the irony in the name, would be convenient. Mostly useless if Fungi is released as written, but not if Fungi comes with defensive downsides of any sort to pay for its effects. Osiris has no purpose, and would serve as dedicated light SC. Stiltwalker has no purpose, and would serve as compression SC. Hunter Armor has a small purpose as the only FO earth energy compression armor, but compression SC would be nice, + has built in spell type skill. Extra note: Devilish, Bland Truphma, and Stiltwalker, are max level 145, 146, and 145 respectively. This is less than a 5% drop in item power compared to 150, so I view it as a non issue. Brief statements of current niches armors other players have suggested currently have, and would lose if swapped to SC lean: Geocastellum robes: FD basic attack hitcount, since it's 3, but a small niche to lose (would lose FD set theme though IDC about that personally). Khandie's Gown: FO Fire dark compression (tiny bit different from Devilish, although the same could be said of Devilish). Hare Raiser Magician: FO water basic attack hitcount of 3. Banshee Shapeshift: Very technically perm available dark hitcount of 3 if I'm not missing anything. Very technically as its neutral. Spark of Serenity: Unique triple compression that isn't FO. Separately as a question, if I read the current thread rules correctly, several items should be disqualified by one of the rules "If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-seasonal gold item" (Demonmancer, Muscle Mage, Dark Invader, Grenwog Rider, Khandie's Gown, Chilly Form?, Hare Raiser Magician, Cleric of Carnafex, Light Lord's Cleric, Knight of the Fire Orb?, Seraphim of Ver?, Ebony Sepulchre Form, Chronomancer Z). I don't intend to point this out to be annoying or disruptive, I mainly aim to ask if we're supposed to strictly stick to the rules on the initial post, or if it's okay to also list desired armors even if they aren't allowed by the rules, for feedback purposes / showing player interest in specific items.

Lorekeeper -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/11/2024 20:14:15)
The rules are there to be followed, and the purpose of the thread is to improve permanent coverage. However, in the case of this thread specifically, I'm willing to relax that restriction on account of the very limited amount of spellcaster aesthetic gear that doesn't predate the lean system entirely. Changed the rule to: If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-premium item with a clear spellcasting aesthetic.

BlitzAegis -> RE: =AQ= Spellcaster Lean Retrofitting Suggestions (10/26/2024 0:11:16)
Item: Radiant Winged Guardian Item location: Guardian Shop Current Lean: N This armor if ever revisited for update, would be beneficial as purely a SC or FO armor due to the skill following wep element and type.

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