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7/4/2009 4:15:16   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 I put all of the available information relating to the puzzle we are currently working on in the fifth post of this page; if you want to help then please at least read the rest of the thread before asking for help.

< Message edited by Rhowena -- 7/4/2009 4:16:17 >
AQ DF  Post #: 526
7/4/2009 4:20:38   
Lkeas
Member

Duplexing the method used on the Braille cipher would seem straightforward enough at first glance... but why is nothing working?

The original method was shifting the alphabet by one step after each character including spaces and punctuation but eliminating spaces when possessive form was used, or something like that. One of the definitions for "duplex" is "twofold," so perhaps we needed to shift by two steps after each character... but nothing coherent is coming out of this method.

Another idea was to run the entire thing through twice - so shift the whole message one step at a time and then take the resulting code and run it through again. But once more nothing resembling words has appeared.

Some other cryptonauts suggested another definition of "duplex" which is used in telecommunications, where a signal flows in both directions at the same time. We tried a mixture of two alphabet shifts, one starting from a and one from z and mixed together like so:

azbycxdwevfugthsirjqkplommnnolpkqjrishtgufvewdxcybza

No luck.

We've considered that the coded message may be backwards as well, and ran the same tests on it both ways. Still nothing! I'm going to bed
AQ DF  Post #: 527
7/4/2009 5:33:18   
raven of honor
Member

Im confused what are we supposed to do here?!?!?!?!??

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AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 528
7/4/2009 5:39:01   
Rozion
Member

i dont even understand rhowenas description of how to do this...oh noes! brain! dont explode! NOOOOOOOOOOO!
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 529
7/4/2009 11:39:17   
mpkillah of AQ
Banned


 wheres the puzzle? ive trying to keep up but a lot to read and remember
AQ  Post #: 530
7/4/2009 12:11:00   
Eldron
Member

I'd give you all a hand for a job well done, but I appear to have misplaced mine.

I will tell you this, someone already solved the second step of the hand puzzle, but can you solve the last few steps?


Tick tock, tick tock.
Post #: 531
7/4/2009 12:20:16   
sam_sdc
Member

The Latin root for duplex is: duo (two) + plico (fold together). Perhaps we need to combine, or fold together two keys? I tried "folding together" the original key and got acbccbdaeyfygwhvjukqlpmn, but this doesn't seem to work either.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 532
7/4/2009 12:23:20   
goron link8
Member

eldron does that mean someone already solved the first step also


Indeed!

< Message edited by Eldron -- 7/5/2009 10:10:36 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 533
7/4/2009 12:24:00   
shadowball31
Member

ok well its good to see that its a new day and i can get back to working on the puzzle but eldron what do you mean who solved te second step?

who was it and what did they do? was it one of us three(nabsol, rhowena, me?)

< Message edited by shadowball31 -- 7/4/2009 12:25:18 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 534
7/4/2009 12:30:01   
Belek
Member

what puzzle
Post #: 535
7/4/2009 12:39:39   
Zeth147
Member

When you translate them, do they all come out as capital letters...?
Also what ciphers have we tried so far, just to be caught up.

< Message edited by Zeth147 -- 7/4/2009 13:05:02 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 536
7/4/2009 13:08:07   
shadowball31
Member

if you read the fifth post you would know which cipher have been used\

also i dont understand all of the spoilers at the post part near the beginning that rhowena has a link to posted as (the 14th here)

< Message edited by shadowball31 -- 7/4/2009 13:09:55 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 537
7/4/2009 13:17:34   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 Surprisingly, I don't have much to contribute at this time. Perhaps the second step was converting to ASCII? Which we knew we already did, and which renders Eldron's clue kinda obnoxious.

quote:

Tick tock, tick tock.


Ahh... Maybe alternate one alphabet going forwards and one going backwards...
i.e. azbycxdwevfugt...etc.?

Good Luck! kinda busy today.. :/

EDIT: or even the other way around, i.e. zaybxc etc.

< Message edited by lordtomato -- 7/4/2009 13:18:36 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 538
7/4/2009 13:32:34   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 Maybe the step we got right is one of the keys we've tried? Perhaps we still have to something else after that...
AQ  Post #: 539
7/4/2009 18:23:51   
Coldkick
Member

I know what the tick tock means. It was one of the keyless ciphers! I don't remember it's name but Lkeas would know. It was a circle with another circles inside.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 540
7/4/2009 18:34:47   
Gundisalvus
Member

Edit:Oh yes, that's right, it was Alberti. I'd love to offer more help, but the chat is... acting stupid for me.

< Message edited by Gundisalvus -- 7/4/2009 19:15:28 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 541
7/4/2009 18:37:40   
goron link8
Member

@eldron you still haven't ansewred my question
is it because that would give us a clue or are you simply ignoring me

I did answer you, see your original post.

< Message edited by Eldron -- 7/5/2009 10:12:24 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 542
7/4/2009 18:45:11   
Coldkick
Member

It's the Alberti Cipher.

Alberti Disk

Another Version

I think its Alberti because it is round like a clock, It is Duplex (has two rings stacked) and you find the letters by rotating the disc clockwise once each time. Oh and its keyless.

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 7/4/2009 19:01:41 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 543
7/4/2009 22:57:52   
death ray218
Member

umm.... what does he mean by puzzles in the first post?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 544
7/4/2009 23:00:25   
Gundisalvus
Member

By "puzzles" he means puzzles. I'm certain you are familiar with the word.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 545
7/5/2009 10:15:45   
Eldron
Member



< Message edited by Eldron -- 7/5/2009 10:21:48 >
Post #: 546
7/5/2009 10:33:20   
Coldkick
Member

@Eldron we are completely off track?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 547
7/5/2009 10:41:19   
Megaket Genevus
Member

Guys, think outside the box...

You might come up with something, for I am not. But it's still one thing you could try doing.

That's right.

Think outside the box...
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 548
7/5/2009 10:52:00   
hellblade124
Member

i think i got it

797-796-38
778487
83707-58971
8477-714881
8748-8268656589-787674
8477
67-847970-7890827-469

these are the numbers now its time for me to figure out if there is some type of code with this
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 549
7/5/2009 11:03:16   
Erason
Member

Whats the puzzle? Something to do with numbers?
AQ DF  Post #: 550
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