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7/6/2009 16:28:21   
bosco345
Member

i need to take a break -.-

about an hour ago i got a result about beans in a cup
MQ  Post #: 576
7/6/2009 16:37:40   
Bob147
Member
 

 Wow... How did you get that?

< Message edited by Bob147 -- 7/6/2009 16:41:05 >
Post #: 577
7/6/2009 16:40:54   
bosco345
Member

with a lot of Dr. Peppers and a headache -_-
MQ  Post #: 578
7/6/2009 17:20:16   
Super sammy
Member

ok well this is more of a post to the people at the begining o the thread that said "how do we know our ID if we cant make an account?"


well i think that only the people who are playing are going to be able to do these puzzles and that is kind of obvious

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AQ DF  Post #: 579
7/6/2009 17:22:20   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 ...super sammy, Fal is keeping these puzzles up until the free release, which means everyone can participate.
AQ MQ  Post #: 580
7/6/2009 19:40:59   
kite253
Member

haha so after about an hour maybe 2 of reading ive decided i dont like puzzles i cant figure out by staring at

< Message edited by kite253 -- 7/6/2009 19:49:28 >
AQ  Post #: 581
7/6/2009 19:49:34   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 *cough* polyalphabetic keyless cipher *cough*

Also it is presumed to have something to do with Caesar ciphers from references from both Fal and Eldron. Trimethius perhaps. But we are stuck beyond that.
AQ MQ  Post #: 582
7/6/2009 20:11:44   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it
those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it
Post #: 583
7/6/2009 20:52:45   
bosco345
Member

those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it?

hrmm... George Santayana???
MQ  Post #: 584
7/6/2009 20:54:44   
kors
Member

hm... its an old thing so mabye its the first puzzle people? or any one that used letters for that matter
edit: caesar shift anyone?

< Message edited by kors -- 7/6/2009 21:01:06 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 585
7/6/2009 21:07:11   
bosco345
Member

@lordtomato: i think everyone knows it is a poly-alphabetic keyless cipher >.>

the Caesar cipher thing doesnt make sense, I have run the codes [whatever you would like to call them(even tacos!)] through pretty much every combination and still no luck for a
sensible answer.


edit: hrmm, im going to try a series of vignere decryptions...

< Message edited by bosco345 -- 7/6/2009 21:26:25 >
MQ  Post #: 586
7/6/2009 21:38:40   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 I think that we need to go back to the idea of multiple Caesar shifts. The fact that Fal repeated his sentence about repetition in his last clue makes me ponder the thought of needing to go to the Caesar shift twice: one decription will not give a clear answer, but applying the same shift to that result, maybe something will come true.

That being said, I have too much work to do these days to be of real help...
AQ  Post #: 587
7/6/2009 21:42:44   
Megaket Genevus
Member

I'll get right on it...

(Working by the same once more:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
V
V
D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C )

R P R G P W Z V I N B J W P J A T Z A U G D D B Q O M J T F W R I Q C U M H
V
V
U S U J S Z C Y L Q E M Z S M D W C D X J G G F T R P M W I Z U L T F X P K

...It didn't get so much better according to my brain...

< Message edited by Megaket Genevus -- 7/6/2009 21:51:19 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 588
7/6/2009 21:47:38   
Lord FarTBoY
Member

okay where is this puzzle everyones speackingof id like to help if i could find out where it is...
so first solution is...


REMEMBER OF OLD FRIEND MOGLEE
LIKE HIM YOU BARK UP WRONG TREE
YOU COMPLAIN AND YOU VEX
LIKE YOU’RE UNDER A HEX
BUT TIS NOT TIS groupings of three


second is...

The image you need has not yet been seen here


and third is...

Dark Madder: Has our misinformation been propagated?

Lord Terror: It has. If they follow the current information we have leaked to the WarpForce they will believe that the Exos are a machine race.

Dark Madder: They think that the Exos are Defilers? Hah! Imagine Z29k leading those crustaceans.

Lord Terror: Or Naaseria leading machine technology; They may be inclined to believe any number of half-truths. That I myself am an Autarch. That Z29k is not.

Dark Madder: Very Good.

Lord Terror: You and your fellow Autarch's may continue hiding for now. You owe me lady mysterious necromancer. is the final answer? Have we won?


< Message edited by ross1050 -- 7/6/2009 21:54:12 >
AQ  Post #: 589
7/6/2009 21:50:01   
bosco345
Member

@traveler: I don't think so, i tried all that earlier with no luck what so ever... i found a site that shows all the possibilities with shifts of any number
MQ  Post #: 590
7/6/2009 22:50:29   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 [In Character]
This message appears to be from someone other than the WarpForce or the Network. Yet they clearly are involved. I cannot make great sense of it. I cannot tell what cipher was employed other then to know it was the tableau replaces all j's with i's for an even square. This is no rosetta stone though. I know also that the delivery person says that when he got the message that Michael Remy was there and claimed the greater cousin of his code was so potent that it spits poison and kills. This does not clearly indicate anything to me. I asked for a key and was told only that I should learn my ZYXs.
[/In Character]

Encyphered Transcript Follows:

Rdfcrcdc: Thv tfnaqa gmrcof oyqoh tp xtaavcdt fal Fcsacs hsbqol qsgcsda rnvv Taldlncbfov. Rol cdtfvs hqdgr dr cocrcsbq. Dp hldrc rdf cqs at nzosbduraq bsmn.

Cdctr Sooqnasg Vbodofe: Ii fvshqc phagc aml AdrcGidkd. Rsma ccr qpo xteeolfvn qh cnnwrfvo fofrml rumo.

Scdtaldl: Ncbfocbkano, vddm isanotc, Vra cifbo fs ef vbvtal Qchhy nd tcb nmf clqcmsu. Gb qt idfol nt lofq hrds tuk AtreDdcrc qbm qo mllndnqo ic Yngdsp iqo pkurn rwnab wv nsip Dicoo wnrqtuix. Dy pnsyb, bx udkwq uoto vsyq ap nkdtma vzxl Gvaeq cwxo vqe iswbvrpssl op yuo qdtrx.

Qtkct Phpiqmxz Ovdtwfu: Otp gv zy ea psr xs otw onwob xo ptou isswbvrpo Iovqny. Bdu hpihtie xbr lupo rvtgrpk ivs awrynrimt naxscsxrq bttdwlklzx lgvaeqcvoqk, torvk xdtsadw paxl uo swttnfs awubk cszimdx lu fbtdilb, ybq shhs mvy kswtonwy switso swde kt p qkpouo ksh ihsbcpht xtkdxd zx.



< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/6/2009 22:58:04 >
Post #: 591
7/6/2009 22:54:14   
Goldstein
Member

Okay, I guess this means that A=Z, Y=B, and X=C. So...Someone else figure it out! This makes my brain hurt!

Edit: Just tried it...nevermind...hm...and I was sure I was being clever.

< Message edited by Goldstein -- 7/6/2009 22:58:29 >
Post #: 592
7/6/2009 23:02:19   
Nickwright
Creative!


 The clue to what cipher we need is
"I cannot tell what cipher was employed other then to know it was the tableau replaces all j's with i's for an even square. This is no rosetta stone though."
and that the key involves a backwards alphabet
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 593
7/6/2009 23:03:58   
Goldstein
Member

I know, I tried that, Nickwright...it made no sense...at least, not to me.
Post #: 594
7/6/2009 23:06:17   
Coldkick
Member

Doing in indepth guess....that means its probably wrong :P
It could be like a cube.
Z= depth
Y= Height
X=Width
And Fal even mentioned an even square.
As for the spits poison and kills all I can think of is a snake, though it must be a cipher harder based on this one that he is referring to.


EDIT: Or maybe even two square: Two-Square Cipher

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 7/6/2009 23:10:06 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 595
7/6/2009 23:37:08   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 Going off of the "greater cousin that spits poison and kills" clue:

Bifid cipher, which is related to a
Trifid cipher, and "Trifid" looks an awful lot like
Triffid, a fictional plant that can spit a stinger coated with a fatal poison.

EDIT: Going futher, the Bifid cipher also fits with the "even square" bit: it uses a 5x5 grid, which requires the removal of one letter to remain a square. If J is the letter in question and the alphabet is, as speculated above, backwards, that gives us the grid


__1 2 3 4 5
1 Z Y X W V
2 U T S R P
3 P O N M L
4 K I H G F
5 E D C B A

Further edit: The Wikipedia article claims that longer messages, which this one would certainly qualify as, are split into equal groups called periods that are encrypted seperately. The problem here is that the letter count comes to 661, a prime number. However, using this handy prime factor generator and some multiplication I was able to determine that 660 has the following factors:

1 660
2 330
3 220
4 165
5 132
6 110
10 66
11 60
12 55
15 44
20 33
22 30

The simplest solution would be to make periods of one of the lengths above and add the extra character to one, however finding the period length and the appropriate section for the spare could take a while.

< Message edited by Rhowena -- 7/7/2009 1:03:34 >
AQ DF  Post #: 596
7/7/2009 0:34:42   
Coldkick
Member

Wow great find! Let's hope we are on the right track with this one.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 597
7/7/2009 0:46:44   
Nickwright
Creative!


 As for the previous puzzle we're going about a Trithemius Cipher with great results

replacing 0 for N on the puzzle and skipping W on the key itself

We get OKKX EJK EPSEJ UM EJK ODFPKIEQMJ EM WLETZJZPH
or SEEK THE TRUTH IN THE ---------- ON ---------
There's probably another anomoly in the 10 letter word.
The Key right now

aceg ikm oqsux za ceg ikmoqsuxz


Lkeas is wonderful with her help you know that?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 598
7/7/2009 0:59:17   
Axylus
Member
 

 The new puzzle could be using the playfair cipher.
Falerin mentioned that the tableu replaces all J's with I's. If you look at the wikipedia article a form of playfair usualy puts J's and I's in the same place.
Post #: 599
7/7/2009 3:29:34   
adwong1994
Member

REMEMBER OF OLD FRIEND MOGLEE
LIKE HIM YOU BARK UP WRONG TREE
YOU COMPLAIN AND YOU VEX
LIKE YOURE UNDER A, HEX
BUT TIS NOT TIS

Am I too late?

Which puzzle are you guys solving now?
Post #: 600
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