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12/17/2009 6:35:31   
Nexolous
Member

No offense iChar but have the stuff you say while rating doesn't make much sense. I saw the rating you gave Crump and you said that one tag could have been inter but I think it could be novice.
If you guys are gonna rate do it right.
DF  Post #: 576
12/17/2009 11:28:14   
cohonn
Member

I disagree with you saying that Ichar and Nicky just go along wit the other 2 or 1 , because for many people like me we were rated first by Ichar or Nicky.. and also they both gave different reasons for their choice.

But i can't defend or go against anyone with the ratings as i don't know much abou them myslef. Just posting what i see.

Post #: 577
12/17/2009 13:38:47   
nolraitru
Member

Look, again, we don't want ratings to be done on this forum. And every forum rating team has a different opinion. When I first got rated I was Moderate on Charmed Arts, but Novice on NSL. And when I got Inter on CA, I was still Novice on NSL. The tags on both sites for the two different ratings, were exactly the same, by the way. So how can there be any ONE standard to ratings?
And I've been a rater on CA before. So how am I not "qualified"?

Honestly, I'd rather ratings have nothing to do with this forum. We're just meeting the needs/wants of, you, the forum members.
So, it's either our ratings suck compared to other forums that you go to for ratings, OR it's closed, and you have to go to other sites to get your rating.
Post #: 578
12/17/2009 14:19:44   
Dabbleh
Member

I think the fact that people are getting higher ratings on this forum, they think that it's not official.
It's just as official as any other rating, it's because this community doesn't have very many 'pro' artists. It's a newbie forum. Get over it.
AQ  Post #: 579
12/17/2009 15:01:47   
Khelios
Burning Chaos


 If you have a problem specific to this board (posts, threads, etc), please bring it up to ME and do not direct posts towards individuals on the forums. Posts targeted to individual users are not allowed.
DF MQ  Post #: 580
12/17/2009 15:27:48   
[Sev]_Foamy
Member

Personator- Im posting in a discussion forum, about how i do not like the rating thread. I used examples, and i did not direct my post at any one individual. Im asking a mere question, and supporting my opinion with examples. If thats not allowed, please delete my post. I don't understand why we are not allowed to discuss the forums between ourselves, seems a bit odd.

Ichar- I wish they'd do away with it.

I like how everyone considers this a "newbie" forum, yet artists like skystrife, phalis, acolytic, lux, scalper, etc, emerged from this forum. People are not understanding as to the skill level here may be at a novice/moderate, but the growth level here is probably one of the highest. Artsits on THIS forum, grow in their art skills much faster than other forums that i've been to and staffed for. I feel that the rating thread is boosting egos. Also, when the big thing of this forum was "Do not worry about titles or rankings" but then they allow this rating thread to emerge.
Post #: 581
12/17/2009 16:01:09   
cohonn
Member

yes, but if your improving then wouldn't it be good to see how quickly,and have some previous ratings to compare the next rating against?
Post #: 582
12/17/2009 17:41:28   
Desron_7
Member

When people say this is a newbie forum they generally mean that this is where people start their first ever gallery here. It doesnt mean this place is full of crappy artists, its just where people begin.
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 583
12/23/2009 20:25:54   
metamaster
Member

Hey people!
I'm a new AA, and I was just wondering.
Is there was anything you had to do before making a gallery?

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DF MQ  Post #: 584
12/23/2009 20:32:58   
Walt
Member

@Meta

Well, you have to have art. You also must tag your gallery with the program you will be using. You should also think of a organized setup for your gallery by looking at other galleries. Good Luck!
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 585
12/29/2009 1:50:28   
_Depression
Member

So, artists of all types, I have a story to tell.

Recently, I was chatting with a good friend of mine, who draws (predominantly in anime style) for a living. We were talking about tags and the kind of art I make, and she posed the idea that making a tag could never be compared to drawing an image from scratch, and that the kind of art I make is more just a design than a real art piece.

Now, I understand that a design is, technically, art, but I wanted to just start the discussion:
Is digital art (sig/tag making) on par with hand-drawn art? Or is it easier/harder? And why?
AQ  Post #: 586
12/29/2009 2:42:11   
nolraitru
Member

Look, every artist on here will tell you that all forms are about the same.

But really, we're called graphic designers, for a reason.
We take what we're given, and make it look better, and add a few things to it. Now TVO, who makes all his Photoshop work from scratch, is a graphic artist. Because he doesn't start with anything other than the basic tools given.
But those of us who use a cut-out that we did not make, we're designers. A lot of what we do isn't acceptable as art, but we could easily get a job in the advertisement industry, because that's what graphic designers do. Every time you see a McDonald's ad, or an ad in any magizine you read, that's what we do.
We all know that's about our extent, and what we do here is what we enjoy. And it's technically an art form. We take what we're given, and we make it better. Which is exactly what people who draw and paint do. They take what they're given, and make something beautiful out of it.
Post #: 587
12/29/2009 16:47:30   
Stan
Member

quote:

Which is exactly what people who draw and paint do. They take what they're given, and make something beautiful out of it.

No they do not. They create something entirely new. If you're going to compare tag-making using a cut-out to hand-drawn art, then it would best be compared to using a colouring book or sprite-editing, which both also take art from someone else and then add to it.
Because that's basically all you do: take someone else's art and make it look better.

As iChar somewhat said, you're only really an artist if you can make stuff, including digital art, from scratch. Of course there are those that make sculptures out of trash and stuff and make art that way, but I'll always have more respect for those who start with nothing.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 588
12/29/2009 16:52:53   
nolraitru
Member

Stan: In a way, you do start with something. You're given the colours, or the materials that will, eventually, make something beautiful.
Which is the way I meant it, sorry if that wasn't clear. I was just trying to be as litteral as possible with it. ^_^
Post #: 589
12/29/2009 17:05:39   
Stan
Member

That's true, of course. The only thing that really comes out of nowhere is the idea itself, which is often the most important. Something that didn't take much skill to make but is original, can easily be more interesting than dull pieces made by an advanced painter.

The cut-out often used in tag-making kills a part of the creativity already though, because the idea, too, is no longer entirely yours.

On the subject of what's harder I think it's definately hand-drawn, because all the things that are important in tags (lightning, composition, text, depth, colors, etc.) are just as important in drawing and painting, but those have the added difficulty of the drawing/painting itself.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 590
12/29/2009 17:05:52   
Mo
Member

Dragon and me have actually cut back. We use only our own C4Ds that we have made. Sure we use fonts and brushes, but honestly, I don't think that counts.

But honestly, I think iChar has it backwards. An artist is the one who retouches and uses the stocks etc. A designer is the one who makes it from scratch. Of course, most of the time, a designer is used with web designer, someone who creates a website and its interface.
AQ MQ  Post #: 591
2/9/2010 16:28:07   
cohonn
Member

lol we need a new subject, will try to think of one :)
Post #: 592
2/9/2010 22:41:43   
_Depression
Member

So, I've got a topic.

We all know Valentine's Day is coming, so we should all be expecting the gushy, mushy love of the time. But with all of that gushy love, there is a group of people who have no one to share the feelings with. Whether their love is unrequited or nonexistent, they have no mushy love to show. So what do they show instead? Anger? Depression? Sadness? Apathy?

When you think of an emotion, like love, there is always an opposite that is just as strong. Similarly, everything has opposites and rivals. Sports teams like the New York Yankees have rivals; lifestyle choices like chastity or abstinence have opposites; even artistic premises have opposites. For 3D, the opposite is 2D. For embellishment, there is minimalism. For light, there is shadow.

(tl;dr)
I say all that in order to ask this: If you took everything in your tags, everything you did to make the flow perfect, and the colors perfect; the lighting exact and the focal blended just right... If you took all that and flipped it on its head - chaos in the place of order, colors in chaos rather than harmony, lights and shadows reversed - do you think the work of art would be as powerful? The direct opposite of love is hate, and these are two of the strongest emotions known to man. If you take the ideas of a perfect tag and do the exact opposite, would you be left with a different type of perfection?

(tl;dr2)
At least read the last paragraph. It's not that hard.
AQ  Post #: 593
2/10/2010 10:55:57   
Sea
Member

I'm sorry, but I lost ya at the opposites and losing flow...
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 594
2/14/2010 19:26:00   
TheShadowed1
long cat r looong


 I've always found there is rarely a happy medium.
You can't have clean chaos or complex minimalism.

So yes, I would think the opposite of perfect chaos would be perfect order.
Unless you want to debate semantics and be literal, in which case it would be imperfect order.
But that's for another day.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 595
2/14/2010 19:39:54   
Black321
Member

Dep, no matter how you put that, art is art. The 'perfect tag' consist of all types. 'Pro' is when others see your work, and run out of things to hate about it from jealousy. Really, I can make the perfect tag, you can make the pefect tag. EVEN my sister, can make the perfect tag. It all consist over your style, if you like it, and if theres a blend of love, and effort put into it.
Post #: 596
3/10/2010 13:10:26   
cohonn
Member

i know this isnt the place to put it but the thread has been locked so...
couldn't one of the other AK/mods host the anual tournys?

ts1: I'm in the process of working this out (:

< Message edited by TheShadowed1 -- 3/10/2010 19:49:51 >
Post #: 597
4/10/2010 17:39:33   
Nexolous
Member

Okay so a few graphics forums that I'm on have teams that battle. I'm thinking that we could also have battling teams. It could help get the gallery active if people know they can battle other teams. I'm sure you'll say that's what the gallery battle area is for but you never see team battles so just a suggestion.
DF  Post #: 598
4/11/2010 0:42:32   
The One To Rule
Member

El oh el. Do we really have enough competent/competitive members that are constantly active and willing to battle. We'd have like... 3 teams.
AQ  Post #: 599
4/11/2010 2:03:03   
nolraitru
Member

If you do collaborative, or the like, then you can't use those signatures. That's in the rules.

Galleries are perfectly able to battle one another (vote for tag A or B in each "battle" team with the most votes in 7 days wins), there are no rules against that.
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