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5/31/2009 19:07:36   
ArchMagus Orodalf
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It's the weekend, however.
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5/31/2009 19:15:35   
Denolth
Sailing


 Good point, drakehello, and Gundisalvus, maybe the word "lie" might be one of the meanings... Dathomir, I think the chances of Falerin refer himself to the Bible are low, since there are many religions. But, well, that's certainly a possibility which needs to be considered. We have no idea at all of what "tower" means, so we're following random possibilities. Oh, and by the way, considering all of those possibilities, which do you think is the most correct? Maybe we could go deeper on that one.

< Message edited by Dudu Master -- 5/31/2009 19:16:44 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 277
5/31/2009 19:20:20   
Aaronrules380
Member

Honestly, I think you are overcomplicating it a LOT. And don't sat the truth saga, because Fal has specifically said this won't be like the truth saga, particularly in the whole extremely complicated thing. Seriously I think it means just what it says and that a person called Dark Madder has a secret that can be found in a place called Purgos
Honestly this speculation doesn't even really belong in this thread and should be moved to the S&T forum IMO

< Message edited by Aaronrules380 -- 5/31/2009 19:23:43 >
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5/31/2009 19:28:38   
Gundisalvus
Member

Sorry, I got carried away. Hope I can do something with the next puzzle.(Even though I'm horrible at cryptography.)

< Message edited by Gundisalvus -- 5/31/2009 19:33:26 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 279
5/31/2009 19:31:13   
Aaronrules380
Member

yep this is not supposed to be on this thread. On the Original post Fal said
quote:

Please keep content in the thread about the individual puzzle being solved, discussion of that puzzle and attempts to reach a solution. You are also welcome to speculate on the overall meaning of the puzzles and the greater mystery they might reveal, but if you are doing that on the AE Forums you should restrict such posts to the Speculation and Theories forum area.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 280
5/31/2009 19:50:31   
drakehello
Member

sorry.... thought it might help figure out any more puzzles if they involved a tower
DF MQ  Post #: 281
5/31/2009 21:22:56   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 Considering that Genoclysm, the most active AK of Speculations&Theories, has been participating on the discussion in this thread, I assume that it is allowed to keep it here, instead of dividing it betwwen this thread and S&T, which could be confusing and lead to information being repeated.

And Gundilasvus observation about "to depend on" being one of the possible meanings of "lie" is particularly interesting, since it had been mentioned before that "lies on Purgos" didn't sound gramatically correct if we took Purgos meaning of "tower" (which I think is very difficult to dispute). If "lies" were to mean "is placed", "on" would be the wrong particle to refer to a tower; but if "lies" means "depend", the sentence becomes clearer.
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5/31/2009 21:57:38   
Lord Asrius
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So Dark Madder's secret depends on Purgos, which is possibly the Guardian Tower which is possibly a V'eld?
Then I think Dark Madder might not be the enemy after all. After all, why would an enemy's secret depend on Purgos? A secret attack or something? Meh.
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5/31/2009 23:39:24   
Genoclysm
Legendary AdventureGuide!
quote:

Considering that Genoclysm, the most active AK of Speculations&Theories, has been participating on the discussion in this thread, I assume that it is allowed to keep it here, instead of dividing it betwwen this thread and S&T, which could be confusing and lead to information being repeated.
Actually I overlooked that part of Fal's post. Some theories brush me the wrong way, and I have a bad habit of debating them no matter where they are. Aaron is right, and I'm at fault too.

< Message edited by Genoclysm -- 5/31/2009 23:42:54 >
Post #: 284
6/1/2009 12:45:04   
Eldron
Member

I just love all the speculation:

As the old insectoid singing group once crooned:

He say "One and one and one is three"
Got to be good-looking cos he's so hard to see
Come together right now over me

Or perhaps, "one and one and one and one is four" would be more appropriate.

289 144 36 400 1 144 144 144 400 25 225 324 81 625 196 36 625 1 19 16 16 169 169 36 81 225 324 361 1 225

144 196 361 1 400 4 169 400 4 196 289 1 121 16 81 1 16 289 144 676 81 225 400 4 100 121 4 100 36 324

36 100 225 400 16 121 4 400 100 1 144 121 196 144

< Message edited by Eldron -- 6/1/2009 12:46:46 >
Post #: 285
6/1/2009 13:13:13   
Lkeas
Member

Alright, well... using the square root method I've got:


QLFTALLLTEORIYNFYAM(N)BBMMFIORSAO

LNSATBMTBNQAKDIADQLZIOTBJKBJFR

FJOTDKBTJALKNL

Gibberish atm. Another cipher?

< Message edited by Lkeas -- 6/1/2009 15:54:50 >
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6/1/2009 13:27:02   
Knightstar2001
Helpful


 Looking at the song,it sound almost more like we are suppose to use the sum total of the numbers which would look like this

19 9 9 4 1 9 9 9 4 7 9 9 9 13 16 9 16 1 10 7 7 16 16 9 9 9 9 10 1 9

9 16 10 1 4 4 16 4 4 16 19 1 4 7 9 1 7 19 9 19 9 9 4 4 1 4 4 1 9 9

9 1 9 4 7 4 4 4 1 1 9 4 16 9

Does that help anyone? Battle On!!

-K

Went over it again and found I had missed some numbers,so I have corrected it.

< Message edited by Knightstar2001 -- 6/1/2009 13:40:21 >
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6/1/2009 13:34:21   
TreadLight
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 ITo go on further with what Knightstar had posted, I made this letter-to-number corresponding list. I really can't think of what to do with Lkeas' translation, just yet. :/

1-A
2-B
3-C
4-D
5-E
6-F
7-G
8-H
9-I
10-J
11-K
12-L
13-M
14-N
15-O
16-P
17-Q
18-R
19-S
20-T
21-U
22-V
23-W
24-X
25-Y
26-Z

I'll start converting right now.

Edit:
spoiler:

SIIDAIIIDGIIIMAJGGPPIIIIJI

IPJADDPDDPSADDIISIIDDADDAII

IAIGDDDDAAIDAPI

-is what it translates to. I highly doubt this had any meaning.


< Message edited by TreadLight -- 6/1/2009 15:18:10 >
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6/1/2009 14:24:51   
Dicer
Member

Ehh.... kinda missed out on the first few and I just caught up, but it looks to me like a substitution, but not in the same way as before- even seen a cryptography wheel? it has the entire alphabet in two rings that spin to match corresponding letters on each respective wheel, and so follows a pattern. Dunno if this helps, and sorry that I can't get on IRC right now. Be back later!

Edit: what I mean by using the cryptography wheel is this-
After changing all the squares into letters and lining them up, there is ONE letter that is moved over to correspond to another letter of the alphabet, which makes the rest of them fall into a pattern that instantly gives you the rest of 'em. Sorry if that was a little confusing XD

Edit 2: also, it could be a four-substitution wheel code, OR a four-rail substitution code, I think (one plus one plus one plus one is four? four rail?)

< Message edited by Dicer -- 6/1/2009 14:29:45 >
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 289
6/1/2009 14:32:58   
Denolth
Sailing


 Sorry guys, I'm in a hurry, but please try 4√289 4√144 4√36... Then, convert to letters.
I'm almost sure this is going to work. If so, please give the credits to me >.< But that's a guess. I have no calculator at the moment.

Dudu
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 290
6/1/2009 15:05:02   
Silverdragon
Member

Hum
289 144 36 400 1 144 144 144 400 25 225 324 81 625 196 36 625 1 19 16 16 169 169 36 81 225 324 361 1 225

144 196 361 1 400 4 169 400 4 196 289 1 121 16 81 1 16 289 144 676 81 225 400 4 100 121 4 100 36 324

36 100 225 400 16 121 4 400 100 1 144 121 196 144

I'm thinking the number 4 may have a link to all of this. Every number in strikeout can't be divided by 4.
If we take these out we have
144 36 400 144 144 144 400 324 81 196 36 16 16 36 324

144 196 400 4 400 4 196 1 16 16 144 676 81 400 4 100 4 100 36 324

36 100 400 16 4 400 100 144 196 144
Nah. I just get gibberrish

I'm trying something else give me a minute

EDIT: Noticed something, it's probably has nothing to do with square roots, since there's a 19 in there.

ReEDIT: I tried removing all the numbers ecexpt the fourth, then doing square root and number-letter translation, and got:
tlrfdfs

nbndqokr

ttk
Someone try doing the opposite (removing the fourth letter).
I also noticed a pattern. The Come togheter might be a clue. Try reorganizing the series, perhaps my matching numbers to their square root or something like that. (English is not my first language, so sorry if you have trouble understaning me something). Gotta go good luck

< Message edited by Silverdragon -- 6/1/2009 15:30:32 >
AQ DF  Post #: 291
6/1/2009 15:23:11   
Lkeas
Member

I'm guessing the 19 is a typo for 169. Wouldn't be the first time there's been a typo
AQ DF  Post #: 292
6/1/2009 15:25:09   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

It could also be a 196, as I said in IRC.
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6/1/2009 15:44:17   
Coldkick
Member

Maybe its related to the Zimmerman Telegram?

Can we even solve it if it is? xD

Or maybe Beale Cipher

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 6/1/2009 15:45:35 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 294
6/1/2009 15:49:35   
Lkeas
Member

It would help if we had spacing to tell where the words were. Then again if it's scrambled, that's just... that's just evil.
AQ DF  Post #: 295
6/1/2009 16:02:02   
Coldkick
Member

Almost all of the numbers are divisible by 4 and they all equal a number that is in the code, for example 324 / 4=81

K im making a chart don't have time to compete it G2G

1's=7 4's=5 16's=5 19's=1 25's=1 36's=4

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 6/1/2009 16:10:17 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 296
6/1/2009 16:09:12   
Gundisalvus
Member

quote:

"one and one and one and one is four"

I have a strong feeling that that has something to do with translating it. But nothing obvious seems to work. I'm going to try several methods to figure some pattern here.

Let's assume that every number correlates to a specific letter, as in the earlier puzzle. I see that the number 144 appears three times in a row. I've pointed this out here:
quote:

289 144 36 400 1 144 144 144 400 25 225 324 81 625 196 36 625 1 19 16 16 169 169 36 81 225 324 361 1 225

144 196 361 1 400 4 169 400 4 196 289 1 121 16 81 1 16 289 144 676 81 225 400 4 100 121 4 100 36 324

36 100 225 400 16 121 4 400 100 1 144 121 196 144

Now, Since I can't recall any words that have three of the same letter in the middle, I can be reasonably sure that a word ends between the second 144 and the third 144. That would mean that word has two of whatever letter 144 stands for at the end. I'm going to assume it is E, as that is the only letter that commonly appears twice at the end of a word. I may be wrong, but if I'm right, it could be very helpful. Now, 'e' is the fifth letter in the English alphabet.

Now, if 144 stands 'e', and I will admit that is a big if, but if it does stand for 'e', then that would mean that there must be some correlation between the numbers 5 and 144.

< Message edited by Gundisalvus -- 6/1/2009 16:10:42 >
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6/1/2009 16:13:34   
Nickwright
Creative!


 LL and SS and there are plenty others I'm sure.

In fact 144 squared is 12 which = L

< Message edited by Nickwright -- 6/1/2009 16:14:05 >
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6/1/2009 16:14:03   
Silverdragon
Member

I'm sure that come together is also a clue. Wait,

144 1 400 16 81 225 4 36 100 121 196 144

12 1 20 4 9 15 2 6 10 11 14 12

latdiobfjknl

Oh well, I tried using the number that only appeared 4 times or more.
In case it's usefull to you, I did a counted how many times each number appears
289-1
144-8
36-5
400-7
1-7
25-1
225-5
324-3
81-4
625-2
196-4
19-1
16-6
169-3
361-2
4-5
289-2
121-4
676-1
100-4
Good luck, this time I really have to go.
Coldkick has a point here, someone should try reorganizing them of they equal 4 or something like that. I'm sure that come together is the key to unscrambling them

< Message edited by Silverdragon -- 6/1/2009 16:16:51 >
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6/1/2009 16:22:50   
Gundisalvus
Member

@Nickwright:Yes, but when you just square the letters it doesn't work. A good deal of the letters aren't even perfect squares. Although it probably will turn out to be L. Because now I recall L does to be one of the few other letters besides E that frequently appears twice at the end of words.

< Message edited by Gundisalvus -- 6/1/2009 16:24:05 >
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