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6/1/2009 17:20:30   
Gundisalvus
Member

@Nickwright:If that's case, how to unscramble it almost certainly has something to do with the "One and one and one and one is four" statement. Perhaps something to do with that Beatles song?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 326
6/1/2009 17:21:04   
Eldron
Member

It has been brought to my attention that there was a typo in one of the numbers. I looking it over, I found another. I've totally redid the puzzle. Same schema, same message.

I'm pretty sure (*SIGH*) I have it correct now.

Sorry for the mix up

E




1 484 36 81 9 1 9 144 400 64 25 324 64 81 1


4 196 400 16 1 25 16 100 169 196 484 81 64 484 324


121 1 81 144 625 9 1 100 169 4 9 1 100 121 196


16 16 1 1 484 81 400 676 81 225 289 625 81 484 81


324 289 289 484 4 81 361 121 81 1 625 64 100 625 121




< Message edited by Eldron -- 6/1/2009 17:53:43 >
Post #: 327
6/1/2009 17:23:05   
Nickwright
Creative!


 I hate you Eldron ;-;
XD

Oh well, back to the drawing board

Lets root these numbers and translate.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 328
6/1/2009 17:27:02   
Kain
Chaos!


 All our work...many tries...many tears...gah! ;_;
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 329
6/1/2009 17:29:50   
kirbymaster2
Member

Is the 487 a typo?
Just making sure.....
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 330
6/1/2009 17:31:22   
Dathomir2
Member

Its like, twice as long...
AQ MQ  Post #: 331
6/1/2009 17:31:20   
TreadLight
Member
 
quote:

1 22 9 3 3 20 8 8 1 2 20 4 5 10 14 22 8 487 11 9 25

3 10 2 3 10 11 14 4 1 22 9 20 9 17 25 9 22 9 17 17

22 9 19 11 9 25 8 10 25 1 22 6 9 3 1 3 12 20 8 5 18

8 9 1 2 14 20 4 1 5 4 10 13 14 22 9 8 22 18 11 1 9

12 25 3 1 10 14 2 3 1 10 11 14 4 4 1 1 22 9 20 26 9 15

17 25 9 22 9 18 17 17 22 2 9 261 9 1 25 8 10 25

11


The ones that are not perfect squares are in bold.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 332
6/1/2009 17:31:53   
ringulreith
Member

I think so.
Post #: 333
6/1/2009 17:32:18   
Azami
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 I got this for letters after taking the square root of the number:

A V I C C T H H A B T D E J N V H V K I Y
C J B C J K N D A V I T I Q Z I V I Q Q
V I S K I Y H J Y A V F I C A C L T H E R
H I A B N T D A E D J M N L I H V R K A I
K


My copy & past is broken

< Message edited by Azami -- 6/1/2009 17:33:50 >
DF  Post #: 334
6/1/2009 17:34:02   
Eldron
Member

Oh, and the first puzzle in the series was actually mine. I gave it to Falerin and he added the story aspect, so I guess you could say it was ours. The next one was definitely Falerin's, at least I think so. So you can't always assume the clues are clues or that they shouldn't be taken literally. Sometimes they should, other times not. It depends to some extent on who's writing them. But, as I already pointed out, the person posting isn't necessarily the person writing the puzzle.

Confused yet?

Just remember, The God of Good will never steer you wrong. But, he may detour you a bit.
Post #: 335
6/1/2009 17:37:50   
Gundisalvus
Member

I was about a fourth of the way through translating it when I realized that there were numbers there that didn't have perfect squares. I'm not going to continue until I'm absolutely sure that the numbers are correct.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 336
6/1/2009 17:41:02   
TreadLight
Member
 

 I translated it all, Gundisalvus (as shown in my above post), but I really can't past that... I'm going to keep trying but it's going to be pretty darn hard. -_-

If you all have some ideas of solving the puzzle, it'd be great for you to join us on IRC. We need the help. D:
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 337
6/1/2009 17:47:25   
Nex del Vida
Member

G'blargh! I wish I hadn't let my power cord at school. *sigh* Ah well. I may attempt to solve this after I finish this chapter in my Anthropology textbook.

...I kind of want to solve both of them, just to see if they differ. Once we solve this one we can see if a similar process can be used for the old one.

The God of Good will never steer us wrong, eh? Alright. So one and one and one and one really IS four, although how that applies is hazy.

TL, you never translated it. Here it is.

1 484 81 9 9 400 64 64 1 4 400 16 25 100 196 484 64 487 121 81 625

9 100 4 9 100 121 196 16 1 484 81 400 81 289 625 81 484 81 289 289

484 81 361 121 81 625 64 100 625 1 484 36 81 9 1 9 144 400 64 25 324

64 81 1 4 196 400 16 1 25 16 100 169 196 484 81 64 484 324 121 1 81

144 625 9 1 100 169 4 9 1 100 121 196 16 16 1 1 484 81 400 676 81 225

289 625 81 484 81 324 289 289 484 4 81 261 121 81 1 625 64 100 625

121

A V I C C T H H A B T D E J N V H (V?) K I Z
C J B C J K N D A V I T I Q Z I V I Q Q
V I (?) K I Z H J Z A V F I C A C L T H E R
H I A D N T D A E D J M N V I H V R K A I
L Z C A T M B C A T K M D D A A L I T Z I O
S Z I V I R S S V B I (?) K I A Z H T Z
K

< Message edited by Nex del Vida -- 6/1/2009 18:03:11 >
AQ  Post #: 338
6/1/2009 17:50:44   
Azami
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 Better. Squareroot, then 1=A, 2=B, etc...

quote:

A V I C C T H H A B T D E J N V H ? K I Y
C J B C J K N D A V I T I Q Y I V I Q Q
V I S K I Y H J Y A V F I C A C L T H E R
H I A B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R K A I
L Y C A J M B C A J K N D D A A V I T Z I O
Q Y I V I R Q Q V B I ? K I A Y H J Y
K
DF  Post #: 339
6/1/2009 17:50:48   
Silverdragon
Member

I think the fact that some numbers aren't square are part of the puzzle.

These typos kinda helped us. We know both series translate into (almost) the same message. Since they aren't the same lenght, I guess we have to eliminate some numbers. The question is which ones.I guess a typo in the first made a number that wasn't a perfect square one. So the non-squares are a clue I believe.

The clues we have right now are:
The Beatles
Come Together
one and one and one is three
one and one and one and one is for
But I'll be careful with them, Eldron hasn't confirmed he wrote the puzzle.
AQ DF  Post #: 340
6/1/2009 17:53:13   
Lkeas
Member

Thanks Azami

New letter frequencies:

i : 18
a : 13
v : 11
j : 8
y : 8
h : 8
c : 8
k : 7
d : 6
t : 6
q : 6
n : 5
b : 5
r : 3
e : 3
m : 2
l : 2
z : 1
f : 1
s : 1
o : 1
x : 0
u : 0
p : 0
g : 0
w : 0
AQ DF  Post #: 341
6/1/2009 17:55:05   
Eldron
Member

Hmmm. should all be perfect squares
Post #: 342
6/1/2009 17:57:50   
TreadLight
Member
 

 At the moment we think that the cipher that Azami has made is the solution of a character substitution and letter scramble.

The numbers that were not translated because they are not perfect squares may also be symbols other than alphabetical letters, which could help with the idea that the [second to] last line is a name with an apostrophe.

Also, have you noticed that the last line is one letter? So far, we've only seen this type of thing from messages by Eldron, which is the beginning letter of his name, and he puts it at the end of his own messages. Could that last letter be an "E", making the decrypted message from Eldron?
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 343
6/1/2009 17:58:15   
ringulreith
Member

No Eldrin, I do believe there is a 487 in there. Should that be a 484?
Post #: 344
6/1/2009 17:59:31   
Nickwright
Creative!
quote:

1 22 6 9 3 1 3 12 20 8 5 18 8 9 1
2 14 20 4 1 5 4 10 13 14 22 9 8 22 18
11 1 9 12 25 3 1 10 13 2 3 1 10 11 14
4 4 1 1 22 9 10 26 9 15 17 25 9 22 9
18 17 17 22 2 9 19 11 9 1 25 8 10 25 11


Squared
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 345
6/1/2009 18:02:17   
ringulreith
Member

Has anyone tried to replace the non-squared numbers with their ascii counterparts?
Post #: 346
6/1/2009 18:02:53   
Nickwright
Creative!


 Ont

its fine now

1 22 6 9 3 1 3 12 20 8 5 18 8 9 1
2 14 20 4 1 5 4 10 13 14 22 9 8 22 18
11 1 9 12 25 3 1 10 13 2 3 1 10 11 14
4 4 1 1 22 9 10 26 9 15 17 25 9 22 9
18 17 17 22 2 9 19 11 9 1 25 8 10 25 11

those are the squared and perfect numbers

get on the ball man.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 347
6/1/2009 18:03:04   
Gundisalvus
Member

@Treadlight:I think he fixed it now.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 348
6/1/2009 18:03:46   
Azami
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 Then here is the translation 1=A, 2=B, etc...

quote:

A V F I C A C L T H E R H I A
B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R
K A I L Y C A J M B C A J K N
D D A A V I T Z I O Q Y I V I
R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K
DF  Post #: 349
6/1/2009 18:05:24   
Nex del Vida
Member

...:P I edited my post above with the translation. It took far too long. Heh.

Okay, I seriously have to do this homework now. I'll be on later tonight or tomorrow.
AQ  Post #: 350
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