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6/1/2009 18:05:31   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Gundisalvus, indeed he did. :P

Though, I still think that this is the solution of a character substitution and letter scramble.

Let's try it with Azami's new decryption. :D
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 351
6/1/2009 18:06:28   
Nickwright
Creative!


 Last line is scrambled and then translates
to Temura Ge'Thrak

Q Y K and I repeat
T E R A and repeat.
Lets do this

Hm scratch that

Ha Still works :D

< Message edited by Nickwright -- 6/1/2009 18:09:19 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 352
6/1/2009 18:08:53   
Eldron
Member

Should be all perfect squares now.


I'll give you a clue because of my mix-ups.

Don't foget what you have done up to now!
Post #: 353
6/1/2009 18:11:06   
Nex del Vida
Member

...Okay, okay, fine. One more post.

Someone try decrypting it from numbers and then running it through the substitution we got from the first puzzle. As far as we know, both of these (first and fifth) have been from Eldron.
AQ  Post #: 354
6/1/2009 18:12:27   
Gundisalvus
Member

Ah! So let's look at the last few puzzles! One was a rail cipher, but it doesn't look like that will work this time. Oh, there was that one where letters had to be replaced with other letters!
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 355
6/1/2009 18:13:07   
Lkeas
Member

Letter frequencies again, hopefully for the last time :P

i : 10
a : 10
v : 6
j : 4
k : 4
h : 4
c : 4
d : 4
y : 4
n : 3
r : 3
t : 3
b : 3
q : 3
m : 2
e : 2
l : 2
f : 1
z : 1
s : 1
o : 1
x : 0
u : 0
g : 0
p : 0
w : 0
AQ DF  Post #: 356
6/1/2009 18:14:43   
TreadLight
Member
 

 So far the past ciphers used these methods of decryption in the past puzzles:

  1. Rail fence ciphers
  2. Letter substitution
  3. Letter scramble
  4. Alphanumeric cipher from square roots.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 357
6/1/2009 18:15:19   
Strange little dude
Member

quote:

A=R
B=V
C=W
D=Unknown
E=Uknown
F=J
G=A
H=I
I=S
J=E
K=T
L=D
M=Unknown
N=M
O=Unknown
P=N
Q=O
R=Unknown
S=Unknown
T=L
U=F
V=Unknown
W=U
X=Unknown
Y=Unknown
Z=C

Letters Missing:

B, G, H, K, P, Q, X, Y.


These are the letter substitutes from the first mystery if that helps

< Message edited by Strange little dude -- 6/1/2009 18:19:29 >
AQ  Post #: 358
6/1/2009 18:16:05   
Hagen
Member

1 + 1 + 1 + 1

There were four puzzles by now.
Maybe the fifth combines all of them - rooting, rail, substitution and name removal...

edit: beaten by TreadLight
AQ MQ  Post #: 359
6/1/2009 18:17:10   
Silverdragon
Member

I'm not sure if Eldron ment use the same method that we used earlier, or a method that we used on a typoed puzzle.
Whoops gotta fly bye
EDIT sorry false alarm, but I think the above pster may have a real good idea.

< Message edited by Silverdragon -- 6/1/2009 18:20:20 >
AQ DF  Post #: 360
6/1/2009 18:17:15   
Nickwright
Creative!


 Hmmm
A V F I C A C L T H E R H I A
B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R
K A I L Y C A J M B C A J K N
D D A A V I T Z I O Q Y I V I
R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K 

R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K 

  I             I

T E M U R A _ G E ' T H R A K



I = E perhaps
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 361
6/1/2009 18:21:36   
TreadLight
Member
 
quote:

R v J S W R W D L I e r I S R
V M L d R e d E m M v S I v r
T R S D y W R E m V W R E T
M d d R R v S L C S o O y S v
S r O O v V S s T S R y I E y T

That's the message decrypted with the first letter substitution.

... >____>
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 362
6/1/2009 18:25:58   
Gundisalvus
Member

quote:

A=R
B=V
C=W
D=Unknown
E=Uknown
F=J
G=A
H=I
I=S
J=E
K=T
L=D
M=Unknown
N=M
O=Unknown
P=N
Q=O
R=Unknown
S=Unknown
T=L
U=F
V=Unknown
W=U
X=Unknown
Y=Unknown
Z=C

That was from the first puzzle.

quote:

A V F I C A C L T H E R H I A
B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R
K A I L Y C A J M B C A J K N
D D A A V I T Z I O Q Y I V I
R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K

If we replace the letters we get:
quote:

R ? J S W R W D L I ? ? I S R
V M L ? R ? ? E ? M ? S I ? ?
T R S D ? W R E ? V W R E T M
? ? R R ? S L C S ? O ? S ? S
? O O ? V S ? T S R ? I E ? T

Still don't see anything particularly coherent.

Edit:It seems I was beaten to the punch.


< Message edited by Gundisalvus -- 6/1/2009 18:26:32 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 363
6/1/2009 18:27:06   
Nex del Vida
Member

I had an idea. A strange one that would be very hard to work with, but an interesting one.

What if we put it through the substitution cipher four times? So we'd take the sqrt'ed version, alphanumericize it, put it through the substitution cipher, put the result through the substitution cipher, put the result through the substitution cipher, and put the result through the substitution cipher? The number of useable letters would get smaller and smaller, but we might get a word here and there which could help us with the rest of the puzzle.

(I took 1 to mean "the method used for solving the first puzzle, so method1+method1+method1+method1 = method4. That's not the whole thing, since we did other things, but someone should try it.)
AQ  Post #: 364
6/1/2009 18:28:30   
Hagen
Member

If we remove Falerin, Admiral Amada and Zorbak from the message we get:

A V I C C T H H A B T D E J N V H V K I Y C J B C
J K N D A V I T I Q Y I V I Q Q V I S K I Y H J Y
AQ MQ  Post #: 365
6/1/2009 18:33:02   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Due to what we are finding out right now... Maybe 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 means that we need to use the past four methods from the past four puzzles to solve this one.

Eldron is saying "don't forget what you have done up to now!"
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 366
6/1/2009 18:34:29   
Nickwright
Creative!


 A V I C C T H H A
B T D E J N V H V
K I Y C J B C J K N
D A V I T I Q Y I V I
Q Q V I S K I Y H J Y


Hagan's in correct format

< Message edited by Nickwright -- 6/1/2009 18:36:28 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 367
6/1/2009 18:37:05   
Jakau Ryuu
Member

I think it's safe to say this may well be a compound code. Anyone tried a Polybius square, though that might not work well here... atbash or ROT13? You guys have already figured the numerical cipher portion, but the letters are clearly scrambled. This looks to be a headache...

< Message edited by Jakau Ryuu -- 6/1/2009 18:43:15 >
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 368
6/1/2009 18:41:37   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Polybius square? Hmm... That could really work!

Each of the 5 lines has 15 characters, so let's try that!
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 369
6/1/2009 18:43:43   
Lkeas
Member

With Admiral Amada, Zorbak, and Falerin taken out, the new letter frequency is:

i : 8
v : 6
h : 4
y : 4
j : 4
c : 4
q : 3
a : 3
t : 3
k : 3
d : 2
b : 2
n : 2
e : 1
s : 1
u : 0
x : 0
z : 0
w : 0
m : 0
g : 0
f : 0
l : 0
o : 0
p : 0
r : 0

If we translate Hagen's cipher just using common letter frequencies, you get something like this:

H T E N N R A A H U R L M I C T A T D E O N I U N I D C L H T E R E S O E T E S S T E W D E O A I O

< Message edited by Lkeas -- 6/1/2009 18:45:24 >
AQ DF  Post #: 370
6/1/2009 18:43:47   
Hagen
Member

> Nickwright

The next step should be railing and that's what I did...
AQ MQ  Post #: 371
6/1/2009 18:44:42   
Nickwright
Creative!


 Ahhh, Kay, XD I was wondering why you put it in two rows...

Silly me...
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 372
6/1/2009 18:45:08   
Gundisalvus
Member

I don't see how you could use all four methods. It just doesn't seem like it would work well.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 373
6/1/2009 18:48:53   
Aaronrules380
Member

if we undo it as a cypher we ge AJVKINCDCATVHIHTAIBQTYDIEVJINQVQHVVIKSIKYICYJHBJCY
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 374
6/1/2009 18:51:59   
Jakau Ryuu
Member

Another thought... perhaps, instead of removing the names, we could use one for a keyword cipher? Or Vigenère cipher (though this might take a little while to figure out.)? Admiral Amada is kinda out for being a keyword, but Falerin and Zorbak aren't...

< Message edited by Jakau Ryuu -- 6/1/2009 18:53:19 >
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 375
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