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6/2/2009 15:12:12   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 [In Character]
All things are for a purpose and all things interconnect. That you would accuse the god of good of not playing fair is somewhat ludicrous. Because I know that the Network is somehow involved in this I sent a question an inquiry to Diviara on Deren as he is perhaps the closest to an expert I could ask other than Cartwright and I am not ready for that confrontation at the moment. Diviara was unusually cryptic in his response. He told me that inquisitors of the previous puzzle were key here. He also noted that where Eldron was a traditionalist when it came to such things, he himself voted for Kennedy. This last bit is patent nonsense of course, Diviara could not have been on terra at that time. But he said it so it means something.

[/ooc]

Encrypted Message is as follows:
Gb dd lo ot dl ud en dK fl nc ya sk cd iK oe aC li tq Ne fr nc pn tp gg dp ut xs rn qf vl il lo db sk oc fa qr rP gf tt kf qh oe pq ft ud if iy li en dl lh ny dp id ak ks ba ka cu ra gn yk eb tu ru cd eo ak ba ud is cd ib dt ut pm gx ln ol dY
Post #: 451
6/2/2009 15:16:20   
swenson
Member

So we have to get into politics here? I can understand the traditionalist vs. Kennedy thing, because Kennedy was a Democrat...

EDIT: And I'm presuming the capital letters matter here, because they're in there. We'd better make note of that.
DF MQ  Post #: 452
6/2/2009 15:37:32   
Coldkick
Member

Autokey cipher anyone?

FALERIN or ELDRON as the key maybe?

I'm actually thinking its not this now after looking it over :/

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 6/2/2009 15:39:18 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 453
6/2/2009 15:40:43   
Rethal
Member

well, taking the capitals out, in order...
Gb dd lo ot dl ud en dK fl nc ya sk cd iK oe aC li tq Ne fr nc pn tp gg dp ut xs rn qf vl il lo db sk oc fa qr rP gf tt kf qh oe pq ft ud if iy li en dl lh ny dp id ak ks ba ka cu ra gn yk eb tu ru cd eo ak ba ud is cd ib dt ut pm gx ln ol dY

becomes

GKKCNPY...
b dd lo ot dl ud en d fl nc ya sk cd i oe a li tq e fr nc pn tp gg dp ut xs rn qf vl il lo db sk oc fa qr r gf tt kf qh oe pq ft ud if iy li en dl lh ny dp id ak ks ba ka cu ra gn yk eb tu ru cd eo ak ba ud is cd ib dt ut pm gx ln ol d

so next im gonna count how many of each letter appear. see if that helps.

b-6
d-17
l-12
o-8
t-10
u-8
e-7
n-9
f-8
c-7
y-4
a-9
s-5
k-8
i-9
q-5
r-6
p-6
g-5
x-2
v-1
h-2
m-1

well im gonna assume this is the amount of each letter we have to work with. but idk so... happy hunting! ill come in at the end.

< Message edited by Rethal -- 6/2/2009 15:53:57 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 454
6/2/2009 15:41:46   
Kuld
Member
 

 A google search on of the message brought up this site as the second result.

Probably not related though...And even if it was, I wouldn't be able to figure it out myself...But still, figured I'd throw it out there just in case. :P

< Message edited by Kuld -- 6/2/2009 15:42:10 >
MQ  Post #: 455
6/2/2009 15:44:16   
Hagen
Member

There are pairs of letters there, and two names to take into account.
Maybe ELDRON is the key to the first letter in a pair and FALERIN to the second. Or vice versa.
Yet the way of encrypting should be different for both of them.
AQ MQ  Post #: 456
6/2/2009 15:47:58   
Coldkick
Member

Hey Kuld I'll start amusing myself by substituting letters into that code Thanks for the link. :)

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 6/2/2009 15:49:35 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 457
6/2/2009 15:49:43   
MegaPoster404
Member

Hmm.... number pairs. Anything to do with Kennedy? Or maybe the capital letters mean something.
DF MQ  Post #: 458
6/2/2009 15:50:42   
swenson
Member

Well, it's *probably* not the Progressive Party. We worked out that much on IRC.
DF MQ  Post #: 459
6/2/2009 15:52:40   
Jakau Ryuu
Member

I'm going to guess that, because of what was said, we might have to try something completely new.
Trying to decode the message by treating it as a keyword cipher and using "Eldron" or "Falerin" as keywords hasn't brought anything up. This may be another monoalphabetical code, but I'm not really all that sure. As long as the staff hasn't encoded this using the Great Cipher, though, we'll solve it.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 460
6/2/2009 15:54:35   
MegaPoster404
Member

Wait, how about JFK as a cipher key!
DF MQ  Post #: 461
6/2/2009 15:56:33   
Coldkick
Member

Using that chart is so hard x_x*
so far I have

MO*EXQ*
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 462
6/2/2009 15:57:06   
Rethal
Member

alright, i counted up the letters.. not that it means much but... i hope it helps!
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 463
6/2/2009 16:00:23   
Coldkick
Member

I'm pretty sure that if it is a keyword cipher the key will be Falerin and/or Eldron because of this

quote:

He told me that inquisitors of the previous puzzle were key here


Falerin As key

KH JJ CP PT JC UJ DG JN AC GI YB SN IJ FN PD BI CF TR GD AE GI QG TQ KK JQ UT XS EG RA VC FC CP JH SN PI AB RE EQ KA TT NA RL PD QR AT UJ FA FY CF DG JC CL GY JQ FJ BN NS HB NB IU EB KG YN DH TU EU IJ DP BN HB UJ FS IJ FH JT UT QO KX CG PC JY

Eldron as key

KH CC BE ET CB UC AF CO JB FI YG SO IC MO EA GI BM TR FA JD FI QF TQ KK CQ UT XS DF RJ VB MB BE CH SO EI JG RD DQ KJ TT OJ RL EA QR JT UC MJ MY BM AF CB BL FY CQ MC GO OS HG OG IU DG KF YO AH TU DU IC AE GO HG UC MS IC MH CT UT QP KX BF EB CY

Falerin & Eldron

OL NN IQ QT NI UN CK NF GI KM YH SF MN JF QC HM IJ TD KC GA KM RK TR OO NR UT XS AK DG VI JI IQ NL SF QM GH DA AR OG TT FG DB QC RD GT UN JG JY IJ CK NI IB KY NR JN HF FS LH FH MU AH OK YF CL TU AU MN CQ HF LH UN JS MN JL NT UT RE OX IK QI NY

< Message edited by Coldkick -- 6/2/2009 16:10:30 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 464
6/2/2009 16:08:17   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Umm... Uh.. I'll just repeat what I said on IRC:

quote:

[15:47] <Miles> Because I couldn't think of anything else to do, I split the groups into two. The first sequence is of each of the first letters in the dual-letter groups, and the second sequence are each of the second letters in the dual-letter groups.
[15:48] <Miles> "G d l o d u e d f n y s c i o a l t N f n p t g d u x r q v i l d s o f q r g t k q o p f u i i l e d l n d i a k b k c r g y e t r c e a b u i c i d u p g l o d"
[15:48] <Miles> "b d o t l d n K l c a k d K e C i q e r c n p g p t s n f l l o b k c a r P f t f h e q t d f y i n l h y p d k s a a u a n k b u u d o k a d s d b t t m x n l Y"

What I think we should do is to, first, figure out exactly what Falerin means.

"He told me that inquisitors of the previous puzzle were key here." - Inquisitor means 'one who inquires or makes an inquisition, especially a questioner who is excessively rigorous or harsh." Who were the past inquisitors that we can recall?
  • Falerin -questioning the encrypted messages, and coming to us for help.
  • Eldron -questioning the encrypted messages, and coming to us for help [just like Falerin].Well, yeah... These are the only ones who even questioned anything so far.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 465
6/2/2009 16:10:58   
swenson
Member

So are we pretty much sure, then, that Falerin and Eldron are keys?
DF MQ  Post #: 466
6/2/2009 16:13:40   
Jakau Ryuu
Member

Wait... is it possible that this could've been enciphered through a Vigenère cipher? One of the names could still be the key to decoding the message if so. I know I've suggested it before, but if the names are the key and the message's cipher isn't a simple keyword, then it could still possibly work.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 467
6/2/2009 16:18:11   
Kuld
Member
 

 "mfllerrulesoverhlwenxithherironhrfspevilencesuccestssheiglwefreroathemnftletflssgisgroupiqsoanrtrfveledgivesarihhtifhimpdicftionstotheorihifsoatheairstsuchwefrerx"

I ran the message through the Playfair cipher - a cipher apparently used by JFK at some point - using Eldron and Falerin as the keyword...I can see several words in there, but I dunno...*shruggety shrug*

Edit:
Only Eldron:
inllerrulesoveriaofbwctibrhironbdhspevcofbgesummestssiecuawehderxdtirfcntletmnssmcharoupcusombkxdhvelewacvesbxchitanhcftlcnetcdnstotbrorchansobibrbdrstsugivearerx


< Message edited by Kuld -- 6/2/2009 16:19:10 >
MQ  Post #: 468
6/2/2009 16:21:17   
Coldkick
Member

Wow Kuld I can see plenty of words in that, i'm guessing you got the idea from this
quote:

That you would accuse the god of good of not playing fair is somewhat ludicrous.



OK another idea Maybe its a mix of keyword & play fair
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 469
6/2/2009 16:27:55   
kirbymaster2
Member

quote:

15:47] <Miles> Because I couldn't think of anything else to do, I split the groups into two. The first sequence is of each of the first letters in the dual-letter groups, and the second sequence are each of the second letters in the dual-letter groups.
[15:48] <Miles> "G d l o d u e d f n y s c i o a l t N f n p t g d u x r q v i l d s o f q r g t k q o p f u i i l e d l n d i a k b k c r g y e t r c e a b u i c i d u p g l o d"
[15:48] <Miles> "b d o t l d n K l c a k d K e C i q e r c n p g p t s n f l l o b k c a r P f t f h e q t d f y i n l h y p d k s a a u a n k b u u d o k a d s d b t t m x n l Y"


Maybe we should try both of these with either Falerin or Eldron as keywords.
Just a thought.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 470
6/2/2009 16:28:10   
Jakau Ryuu
Member

*facepalms* How did I forget the Playfair Cipher? Am I really so caught up with Vigenère ciphers that nothing else occurs to me?
Good thinking, Kuld. You've very likely brought us much closer to solving the puzzle.

I see the words "Rules over iron" and "Give are" in the text with Eldron as the keyword. Hints, or sheer coincidence?

< Message edited by Jakau Ryuu -- 6/2/2009 16:34:05 >
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 471
6/2/2009 16:30:01   
Silverdragon
Member

I'm not sure to understand what you mean when you say that Falerin and Eldron are keys. What i don't understand is how to use that key.

I'm pretty lost with this one, honestly

Never mind, I just red on the Playfair crypher and now I understand

< Message edited by Silverdragon -- 6/2/2009 16:42:26 >
AQ DF  Post #: 472
6/2/2009 16:35:23   
Coldkick
Member

Ok Great work Kuld, there is no J in the cipher which probably means it is a Playfair cipher.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 473
6/2/2009 16:36:34   
swenson
Member

"Rules over" is in both.
DF MQ  Post #: 474
6/2/2009 16:38:22   
Cod Cod Lord of Mysteries
Member

Madder rules over Haden with her Iron Grasp Evidence suggests she is a wearer of the mantle That this group is so far traveled gives fright in g implications to the origins of the first such wearer X

I GOT IT!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! FINALLY! I GOT ONE!

I used the playfair cipher and used ELDRON AND FALERIN as the key. Although I'm not sure about the "g implications" or the "x" parts.

I'm so proud of myself. Although I couldn't of done it without all you guys' helpful research.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 475
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