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6/17/2009 18:19:35   
Coldkick
Member

OK well we are almost positive that it is a bacon cipher.
If someone has a transcript of Fal's clues could they post it please?
Clues from Fal:
bacon x2
caesar
base64
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 251
6/17/2009 18:38:55   
Aaronrules380
Member

He never said caesar, he just said shifted bacon
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 252
6/17/2009 18:48:54   
LimeLemon
Member

I used this baconian cipher tool and got

Q L O G I/J T U/V T H S I/J T Z H K X Z H Z G K L M Z P H H K W M G K Q H U/V H C T H K Z U/V F I/J Q I/J Z C Z D W C D H O C L A U/V D F Z F Q H G P L P K X F N F N Q N W M F Q W N L M P N P Q N M M D G N P U/V O T T W Y O U/V W O N Q F B S E

in version 1 and

P K N G I S T S H R I S X H J V X Z Y Y H X G J K L X Y O H H J U L G J P Z H T H C S H J X T F I P I Z X Y Z C Y X D U C D H N C K A T D F X F P H G O K O J V F M F M P M U L Y F P U M K L O M O Z P M L L D G M O T N S Y S U W N T U N M P F B R E

in version 2.

Did I do something wrong, or do we have to decipher it even more?

Oh, and this was what I decoded (without new lines and spaces):
ABBBB
ABABA ABBAB AABBA ABAAA BAABA
BBBAB BAABB BBABB BAABA BBBAB AABBB BBBBA BAAAB BBBAA ABAAA BAABA BABBB AABBB ABAAB
BABAB BABBB BBAAB BBAAA BBAAA BBBAB AABBB BBBBA BABBB AABBA ABAAB ABABA ABABB BABBB BBAAA ABBBA AABBB AABBB ABAAB BABAA ABABB AABBA ABAAB ABBBB BBAAB BBBBA
BBAAB BBBAA BBAAB BBAAA BABAA BABBB BBAAB BBABA ABBAB BBBAA BBAAB ABABA AABBB BBBBA BAABB BBABA
AABBA ABBAB BBBBA
AABBA ABAAA BABBA AABBB AABBB ABBAB BBBBA BBAAA BBBAB AABBB BBBBA BBAAA BABBB BBAAA BBBBA BAAAB BBABB ABAAA BAABA BAAAA AABBB
BABAA BBAAA BBBBA BABBB
BBAAB ABBAB BBAAB ABABB BBAAB BBBAA
BABAA ABBAB BBBBA BBBAB BBBBA BABAA BBBAA BAABB ABABA ABABB BBBAA BBAAA ABABA BBAAA BBBBA BBAAB ABAAA
BABBB BBAAB BAAAA ABABA BBBBB ABAAB
BBAAB BBBAA BBAAB BBAAA BABAA BABBB BBABA BBBAA BBAAA BBBAB BAABA BBBBA BBAAB BBBBA
BABBA BABBA AABBA ABBAB BBBBA BBAAA BBBAB AABBB BBBBA BBABB BBBAB BABBB
BBAAB ABBAA ABAAB ABABA ABABB AABBA BBAAB BBABA AABBA BABBA AABBB BBBBA BBBBA BBBAB
BAABA BAAAA BBBAB
ABBBA BBAAA BBBBA BAABA ABBBB ABABB

Oh, looks like I forgot to remove one of the spaces... fixing it now.

< Message edited by LimeLemon -- 6/17/2009 18:57:56 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 253
6/17/2009 19:56:28   
Lkeas
Member

Here's the logs of what clues were said (thanks Aaron):

<BaconLord> Ahaha I heap upon you a double helping of bacon to decode!
<BaconLord> And half of it is shifted bacon too!
<@Damsel> Pork Futures
<BaconLord> All 64 of your base belong to us!

If we reverse the A's and B's... well, first of all, the Baconian cipher doesn't work very well as there are a lot of unaccounted for patterns. Normal bacon looks like this:

Q VSZXN CMENCYBODXNIYW KIGHHCYBIZWVUIHRYYWLUZWQGB GDGHLIGFSDGVYBMF ZSB ZXJYYSBHCYBHIHBOEXNPY LHBI GSGUGD LSBCBLDMVUDHVHBGX IGPVAW GDGHLIFDHCNBGB JJZSBHCYBECI GTWVUZGFZJYBBC NPC RHBNQU

"Shifted" aka reversed bacon (with dots where unaccounted patterns go):

P KNGIS .T.S.H.R.ISXHJ VXZYY.H.XGJKLXYOHHJULGJPZ. Z.ZYUXZ.N.ZKH.T. GN. GIWHHN.Y.H.YXY.R.ISQH UY.X ZNZLZ. UN...U.TKL.YKY.ZI XZQK.J Z.ZYUX..Y.S.Z. WWGN.Y.H...X ZMJKLGZ.GWH... SQ. OY.SPL

The other possibility is that the shift occurs after the baconian cipher is run. In this case it would be a Caesar cipher, also known as the Caesar shift as it shifts the entire alphabet evenly. The problem now is in the second clue, which states that only half of the bacon is shifted. Which half? The first? The second? Every other letter? By how much?

Then we've got the base64 clue which I assume is the last step to decoding. But unless we get all the other steps completely correct, base64 decoders will not be able to decrypt the message.
AQ DF  Post #: 254
6/17/2009 20:01:40   
Deathwalker
Member

i am really lost here, can someone tell me what we are talking about?

edit: pretty please with a DOOM! lazor* on top?


*spelled this way purposely

< Message edited by Jzo_punk_rapp -- 6/17/2009 20:04:12 >
DF AQW  Post #: 255
6/17/2009 23:32:47   
kingofmen
Member

Were trying to figure out these puzzles/messages, like we did with the whole
devourer thing.
AQ DF  Post #: 256
6/18/2009 7:45:08   
Deathwalker
Member

sorry, i dont know about the devourer thing either
DF AQW  Post #: 257
6/18/2009 8:03:14   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 The problem with your sixty four bases is likely that the numbers of bacon do not taste good. The bacon lord is very literal and does not like symbolism. Worse yet he talks like the dragon form of Drakath. Sheesh! Hence you could be here till 3099 trying that venue.

Here is the same message but retrieved from a different source. My messenger sent the following.

Lord Falerin,

As requested I returned to each of the previously mentioned bases. Unfortunately the network had them under heavy guard so once there I had sixteen curses cast upon me! I fled with the message but the curses took effect and I tripped totally knocking over the silverware drawer. Then some guy in a toga came and charged me a cleanup bill to fix but all the while was drooling over my food. He said "mmm" so many times I finally gave him a bite. He said he was not used to forks and spoons of this magnitude so he would symbolize it with something less common he tried hitting me with bars but there were still to many of them so I refused. Finally he settled on everytime he wanted to say mmmmmmm he would instead say n. this worked but it sounded weird. he still was saying a lot of nnn all the time. So he invented two other symbols for that. He showed me how to do it but I quickly noticed the number of things I got down did not match. When I called him on it he said that he totally deleted any forks that came before the spoons. He said that leading forks have no meaning. I think I have been duped!

V.



SNCI SNI S SNXI SNX S SNCI SNCX S SNCXI SNXI S SNCI ZSI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSCI S SNXI SN S SNCX SNXI S SNCX ZSC S SNC SNCI S SNCX ZSCI S SNCX SNXI S SNCXI SNMI S SNC SNX S SNCX ZSCX S SNCX SNC S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSCI S SNCX SNMI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNCXI S SNXI SNCI S SNCX ZSX S SNC SNMI S SNC SNM S SNCI SNX S SNCXI SNMI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNCXI S SNCX ZSXI S SNCXI SNCI S SNCI ZSI S SNCI SNCXI S SNCI SNI S SNCX SNCXI S SNCX SNX S SNXI SNX S SNXI SNC S SNCX SNCXI S SNCX SNC S SNC SNCXI S SNCI SNCX S SNCXI SNMI S SNCX SNXI S SNCX ZSC S SNC SNCI S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSC S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNXI S SNC SNX S SNCXI SNCXI S SNCX SNI S SNC SNM S SNCX ZSXI S SNCXI SN S SNCX SNXI S SNXI SNX S SNCX ZSXI S SNCX ZSI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNCXI S SNXI SNC S SNCXI SNCI S SNC SNMI S SNC SNCI S SNCX SNM S SNCX ZSXI S SNC SNMI S SNC SNM S SNCX SNC S SNCXI SN S SNCX SNX S SNC SNCXI S SNCXI SNCXI S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI ZSI S SNCI SNM S SNCI ZSI S SNCX ZSXI S SNCX SNX S SNCX ZSCI S SNCI SNX S SNXI SNI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNCXI S SNCXI SNM S SNCXI SNXI S SNCX SNCI S SNCI SNXI S SNC SNX S SNCXI SNI S SNCX SNX S SNXI SNX S SNCX ZSXI S SNCXI SNCI S SNC SNMI S SNC SNM S SNCI SNX S SNCX ZSCX S SNCI ZSI S SNCI SNXI S SNC SNX S SNXI SNXI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSI S SNCXI SNCXI S SNCI ZSI S SNCX ZSC S SNXI SNMI S SNCXI SNMI S SNCI SNMI S SNXI SNX S SNCI SNCI S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSC S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI SNX S SNC SNCXI S SNXI SNMI S SNCX ZSI S SNCX SNC S SNC SNCXI S SNXI SNMI S SNCXI SNMI S SNC SNMI S SNC SNCI S SNXI SNI S SNCX ZSXI S SNCX SNX S SNCX ZSC S SNCI SNX S SNCX SNM S SNCX SNXI S SNCXI SNMI S SNCX SNXI S SNCX SNCXI S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSCI S SNCXI ZSI S SNCX SNI S SNCI SNM S SNC ZSCI S SNXI SN S SNCI SNMI S SNCI SNCXI S SNXI SNCI S SNXI SN S SNC ZSXI S SNCX SNCXI S SNXI ZSC S SNXI ZSC

This message is all greek to me! Well the same area of the world. Etruscan. No thats not right. Anyway I was also able to get the spacing for the original message back.

XXXXXXXX'X XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XX XXXXX XX X XXXXXXXXX. XX XXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXX XXX XXXXXXXXX XX XXXXXX XXXXXX' XXXXXXXXX.
Post #: 258
6/18/2009 10:57:20   
Dragonnightwolf
How We Roll Winner
Apr/Jun/Aug15


 http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/715405

this talks about caesar writing in latin but using greek letters.

http://www.skypoint.com/members/waltzmn/Cryptography.html

and this may be slightly helpful with giving you guys an idea of what to look for.

http://eom.springer.de/C/c022250.htm


now onto the puzzle itself at the bottom. The two letter words have got to be one of the following. "Be, is, or, he, it, on, of, in, as, to."

The single letter spaces are either an A or an I. and the 3 letter words are either one of these. "are, her, she, his, its, for, and, the, let, got." Those are the most likely, words that would be in the 3 space.

And as for the letter with all the S's in it. You may want to consider the "S" by itself, as a possible space.

< Message edited by Dragonnightwolf -- 6/18/2009 10:59:35 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 259
6/18/2009 22:12:21   
goron link8
Member

I have an idea
replace all the letters with the roman numeral form of it and since they are mostly all based on 10
you might get something if converted to binary
i tried my way and got

RIe2RęFc2ٕ#"ic1ee̳d̥K1RfYe+,e̶K22e2%%%YK9ʔsXf\J22&6Vf&Yg)c,f6%,[e$2FMʔQ+,ee,bLf$ٌf)l,

I might be on to something <sarcasm>

< Message edited by goron link8 -- 6/19/2009 13:08:32 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 260
6/19/2009 12:07:41   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster
[In Character]

No progress at all in over 18 hours. My goodness you are slipping. We cannot possibly gain all there is needed to solve the ultimate mysteries of the warpforce if you are not even making effort.

Goron what flavor of cookie would you like. I have chocolate chip, black cherry thumbprints, and thin mint.

[/In Character]

Post #: 261
6/19/2009 12:32:26   
goron link8
Member

I prefer thin mints
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 262
6/19/2009 12:33:41   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 A man after my own heart. Falerin tosses goron link8 a box o thin mints.
Post #: 263
6/19/2009 12:36:15   
goron link8
Member

thank you
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 264
6/19/2009 13:20:02   
DragonSlayerNinja
Member

DSN wants a cookie too :D
i wants one fwish ice cweam flavowed for my mogwin Twig :D

_____________________________
AQ  Post #: 265
6/19/2009 13:25:49   
Dragonnightwolf
How We Roll Winner
Apr/Jun/Aug15


 For a moment I thought Falerin's latest post to G was a clue about what to do next. But apparently I was mistaken, I tried a search on both cherry and thumbprint ciphers and came up with zilch. Apparently, it really "is" just a cookie-topic.


I haven't been able to really think through on the latest puzzle all that much myself(collage has been keeping me busy this week and so has the ged test coming today!) I won't be back till late, so I probably won't make it online till around eleven pm gmt.


I think however that G might have something there with that idea of his. Whoops, out of time. Gotta run. bye!
AQW Epic  Post #: 266
6/19/2009 13:28:13   
LimeLemon
Member

Delete any forks that comes before a spoon? Leading forks are unnecessary?
Ok, so it TOTALLY has to be binary. Forks are 0s and spoons are 1s.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 267
6/19/2009 13:35:29   
DragonSlayerNinja
Member

wait forks come before knifes when you set the table... and spoons go, uhhh idk, but maby that would help in some way... idk what im talking about
AQ  Post #: 268
6/19/2009 13:40:42   
Kuld
Member
 

 I *think* the cookie thing was hinting towards Goron being on to something...*shrugs*

< Message edited by Kuld -- 6/19/2009 13:41:04 >
MQ  Post #: 269
6/19/2009 13:53:10   
LimeLemon
Member

RIe2RęFc2ٕ#"ic1ee̳d̥K1RfYe+,e̶K22e2%%%YK9ʔsXf\J22&6Vf&Yg)c,f6%,[e$2FMʔQ+,ee,bLf$ٌf)l,

converted to binary is

0010000010011101101001100101001011011001110011000100100110110010101100101001001001100101001100101011001011000110010100101001010010100100110001001001
1001010001100110001100110010110110011001010100100011001000100110100101100011001100011001100101100101011001011001100111001100101100111001010010110010
1010110101100100101001011001010010010010110011001010010110001100101011001010010010011001010010110011000110011000100100100101001011001100011001101100
1010010110010110010110010001001010110010110010101101101001010110010110011000110011001011011001001011001100100011001001100101000100101011001000110010
0010010100100101100101010010010110010110010110010100101100111001100010011100101011001010100101001100110101110011000110011001011001011000100101101100
1010011001101100101001011100101010110100101011001011001100100011001000100110100101001010011100110110010101101100110001100110001001100101100101100111
0010100101100011001011000110011000110110100110011001010010110011000110011000100100100101001011001101001001011011000110010110010100100100101101100011
0010110001100100011001001101110010101100101010010100100110100101000100101011001011000110010101100101001011001100011001100010010011001011100101100110
001001001101100110001100110010110110011011001011001010010110110000101100

btw.

EDIT: Whoops, I broke the forum layout or something... added new lines.

< Message edited by LimeLemon -- 6/19/2009 13:55:30 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 270
6/19/2009 14:07:06   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 I think you have mixed up your order of operations.

Post #: 271
6/19/2009 14:48:58   
goron link8
Member

i think we are supposed to replace some of the m' with n's s's or z's because the messenger said the guy started saying n instead of m
and that he chose two new letters for it also and s and z are there and s n and z are not MODERN Roman numerals but they appear in the message

S N and Z are Medieval Roman numerals though


< Message edited by goron link8 -- 6/19/2009 14:52:08 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 272
6/19/2009 14:58:34   
Aaronrules380
Member

I'm fairly certain we need to do a caesar shift using the letter n at some point, not sure when though
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 273
6/19/2009 15:30:52   
Lkeas
Member

Ok, well... if the toga guy replaced all his M's with N's, and invented two more symbols for that as well... perhaps the S and Z are also supposed to be M's since S and Z are not traditional Roman numerals. That gives us this:

MMCI MMI M MMXI MMX M MMCI MMCX M MMCXI MMXI M MMCI MMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMCI M MMXI MM M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMC M MMC MMCI M MMCX MMCI M MMCX MMXI M MMCXI MMMI M MMC MMX M MMCX MMCX M MMCX MMC M MMCI MMM M MMC MMCI M MMCX MMMI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMXI MMCI M MMCX MMX M MMC MMMI M MMC MMM M MMCI MMX M MMCXI MMMI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMCX MMXI M MMCXI MMCI M MMCI MMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMCI MMI M MMCX MMCXI M MMCX MMX M MMXI MMX M MMXI MMC M MMCX MMCXI M MMCX MMC M MMC MMCXI M MMCI MMCX M MMCXI MMMI M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMC M MMC MMCI M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMC M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMXI M MMC MMX M MMCXI MMCXI M MMCX MMI M MMC MMM M MMCX MMXI M MMCXI MM M MMCX MMXI M MMXI MMX M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMXI MMC M MMCXI MMCI M MMC MMMI M MMC MMCI M MMCX MMM M MMCX MMXI M MMC MMMI M MMC MMM M MMCX MMC M MMCXI MM M MMCX MMX M MMC MMCXI M MMCXI MMCXI M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMI M MMCI MMM M MMCI MMI M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMX M MMCX MMCI M MMCI MMX M MMXI MMI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMCXI MMM M MMCXI MMXI M MMCX MMCI M MMCI MMXI M MMC MMX M MMCXI MMI M MMCX MMX M MMXI MMX M MMCX MMXI M MMCXI MMCI M MMC MMMI M MMC MMM M MMCI MMX M MMCX MMCX M MMCI MMI M MMCI MMXI M MMC MMX M MMXI MMXI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMI M MMCXI MMCXI M MMCI MMI M MMCX MMC M MMXI MMMI M MMCXI MMMI M MMCI MMMI M MMXI MMX M MMCI MMCI M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMC M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMX M MMC MMCXI M MMXI MMMI M MMCX MMI M MMCX MMC M MMC MMCXI M MMXI MMMI M MMCXI MMMI M MMC MMMI M MMC MMCI M MMXI MMI M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMX M MMCX MMC M MMCI MMX M MMCX MMM M MMCX MMXI M MMCXI MMMI M MMCX MMXI M MMCX MMCXI M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMCI M MMCXI MMI M MMCX MMI M MMCI MMM M MMC MMCI M MMXI MM M MMCI MMMI M MMCI MMCXI M MMXI MMCI M MMXI MM M MMC MMXI M MMCX MMCXI M MMXI MMC M MMXI MMC

Notice there are no V's in the code, which leaves us with just 1's and 0's when we convert. Looks like we're back to binary, but it does not translate quite right just yet. This is where the mysterious "deleted forks" clue comes in. But I can't figure out what that means! Is the fork supposed to represent 0 like it did before? In the previous unsolved code there were no spoons, just forks and sporks. Or perhaps the fork represents an entire M? But then what would the C, X and I represent?

Something else I noticed... the spacing of the decrypted message that Fal posted has 97 letters, which is far fewer than the code we've been given. There are 1375 roman numerals, which would translate into 4442 characters in binary. It must mean there's still multiple steps to the code because we somehow have to trim down those thousands of characters into 97. Or else we're tackling this the wrong way...



< Message edited by Lkeas -- 6/19/2009 16:26:54 >
AQ DF  Post #: 274
6/19/2009 16:13:03   
Genoclysm
Legendary AdventureGuide!
quote:

In the previous unsolved code there were no spoons, just forks and sporks. Or perhaps the fork represents an entire M?
I had thought there were spoons, there just weren't very many of them. Or am I behind in watching two puzzles rather than just one?

< Message edited by Genoclysm -- 6/19/2009 16:14:33 >
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