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7/1/2009 16:22:29   
tobi728822
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It seems like k=L
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 101
7/1/2009 16:23:16   
Vinger
Member

@redman
Doubt.According to letter frequency,4 of a vowel is too few.If it is a vowel,it should be the less used vowel.7 isn't too much too.Z and W are much more close to vowels.If it is a letter substituition,it should be a polyalphabetic one.

< Message edited by Vinger -- 7/1/2009 16:52:59 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 102
7/1/2009 16:23:22   
forcemaster101
Member

Vinger you may be on to something with the hand puzzle I'll try taking the inverse of the letters and see what i come up with.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 103
7/1/2009 16:23:51   
Aaronrules380
Member

I doubt it's simple substitution of any kind. UNless you know of a few words that can start with adouble letter and have 3 or 4 letters
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 104
7/1/2009 16:28:34   
forcemaster101
Member

i dont think it is either it has way to many t's so im compleatly lost once again
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 105
7/1/2009 16:34:44   
kors
Member

one of the first known to man? hm... sounds like a anceint puzzle so any one know an old puzzle style?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 106
7/1/2009 16:49:31   
Vinger
Member

Just finished.Space between letters and | means there is a SPACE.Duh
Each letter was nominated according to the type of the type of doing the number.

3a 3b 3a|3a 3a 3b|3c 3d
3a 3a 3d 4a 3d 3a
3d 3e 3a 0a 3a|5a 3d 3b 3a 1a
3d 4a 3a 3a |3a 1a 4a 3d 3d 1a
3d 3a 4a 3d| 3d 2a 3c 3d 3c 5a 3c 5a 3d 3b| 3a 3d 3a 3c 3a 3c
3d 4a 3a 3a
3c 3a|3d 4a 3a 3b 3a 0a|3a 3d 3b 0a 3d 2a 3a|4a 3c 3 b

Frequency:
0a: 3
1a: 3
2a: 2
3a: 24
3b: 6
3c: 8
3d: 18
3e: 1
4a: 7
5a: 3

For ME,what matters isn't the numbers,but the combination of letter+number.That gives us 10 something.Probably are another numbers instead of letters.Or it can be letters with polyalphabetic substitution or in a complex cipher.And a note of me: It looks like hands,but maybe aren't.Normal HUMAN fingers are divided into 3 parts.Some of the hands have 2,1 or 0 divisions.Also,there are blank spaces in the finger part in some of the hands.


AQ DF MQ  Post #: 107
7/1/2009 16:51:15   
Lord Asrius
Member

Might be hex. Although it seems unlikely, given the non-variety.
AQ DF  Post #: 108
7/1/2009 16:55:07   
  Verlyrus
DragonFable Boxcat


 Vinger.. we found that out already...
it's just that we assumed they were the numbers in sign language that they represent.

Hehe Fal, "Precedes". :D
AQ MQ  Post #: 109
7/1/2009 17:24:13   
Plushie
Member

Hmm Is it precedes as in "the las puzzle we are sill doing" or "the last puzzle we did that used the certain cipher"
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 110
7/1/2009 17:25:06   
Lord Asrius
Member

That's what we want to know.
AQ DF  Post #: 111
7/1/2009 17:41:12   
Plushie
Member

Does any one have the answers of all the puzzles we have done so far, maybe they could help us, or maybe know how they were done since the number 1 thread is gone?

EDIT:Oh Sorry forgot about that


< Message edited by Devourer`s Shadow -- 7/1/2009 18:24:01 >
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 112
7/1/2009 17:43:13   
Strange little dude
Member

^The fisrt thread isn't gone
you just have to change fromthe top of the page where it says show threads from last 14 days to say show all
AQ  Post #: 113
7/1/2009 17:44:42   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Here's an archive created based on the past solved mysteries, Devourer's Shadow:

http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=16050587&mpage=1&key=
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 114
7/1/2009 17:46:54   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 Overintellectualizing leads to migraines and cluster headaches. Precedes has a simple English meaning. It is that meaning which was inferred. As to what man I meant.... I meant Human no thats not right Eweman... no still not right...
Post #: 115
7/1/2009 17:56:30   
Kain
Chaos!


 All the hands are right ones, so it can add a double sense to it, meaning we shouldn't invert the puzzle, as the current position is "right". A hint to show that right hands are intentional is Eldron's words on the puzzle: "I can use a hand with this one". I don't think this will help much thing, but it's a step :P
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 116
7/1/2009 18:06:41   
poomaster
Member

simplify ay? maybe i can do something!... no..no... no *dissapointed sigh* your telling me all that headache on puzzles was for nothing and the anger at others finishing first aaah oh wellno matter

eweman anybody tried looking for a yeoman cypher?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 117
7/1/2009 18:09:48   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 Head have you met the desk?

Desk have you met my head.

HEAD DESK!

Post #: 118
7/1/2009 18:11:35   
final five
Member

I can't tell if these are hints of if Falerin is bored and feels like messing with us
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 119
7/1/2009 18:12:41   
Plushie
Member

Thanks Strange little dude and TreadLight im certain one puzzle will require this

EDIT:Knowing Fal,which I dont, must mean that his intentions could not be one and could not be two so it could only be three
or maybe both one and two meaning that 3 is what he means and three means that 3 is obviously both though I dont know him
so I could not say anything that would be completely true on the matter, which would only confuse you or me or them

Confused yet?
No, oh well I meant that he means both a clue and he is messing with us.


< Message edited by Devourer`s Shadow -- 7/1/2009 18:23:36 >
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 120
7/1/2009 18:14:25   
TreadLight
Member
 

 Well, final five, the only way of finding that out is by finding any relation between what he says and what the unsolved puzzles show. If it is of any relevance, than it really could help us all out. By the way, the [Caelestia] IRC-based Cryptonaut chatroom, #mystery, is still open for anyone to join in so that we may solve this more quickly.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 121
7/1/2009 18:15:04   
poomaster
Member

bet its reeally simple lol
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 122
7/1/2009 18:15:44   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 Also let me reveal something about the pattern in the previous animated clue. It will matter since Lkeas' discovered the truth via a clever brute force method.

The actual method employed was not vignere but vignere could be used in the solution thus my previous advice to you. What actually was employed was a Caesar shift (that started at zero and that changed its rotation by 1, for every position (including white space and punctuation characters) in the sentence. Excepting possessives which it treated as a single word I.e to say Eldron's dog I would say Eldron'sdog (which is a play on certain real languages which show ownership in much that way). The possessive part is kind of irrelevant. The rest matters. Of course I could also ignore punctuation the next time and thus it might not affect the rotation. Or I could reset it entirely or double it on punctuation. You can never tell.



< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/1/2009 18:17:42 >
Post #: 123
7/1/2009 18:43:47   
Plushie
Member

Have tried doing Caesar shift on puzzle 2 backwords on this site:http://www.simonsingh.net/The_Black_Chamber/caesar.html
and got nothing
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 124
7/1/2009 18:52:50   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 Handy translator

79777968
778487
8370758971
8477714881
87488268656589787674
8477
678479707890827469

from hex gives me

ywyh
w??
?pu?q
?w qH?
?H?hee?xvt
?w
g?ypx??ti

whereas putting it through the Dec/Char one gets

OMOD
MTW
SFKYG
TM G0Q
W0RDAAYNLJ
TM
CTOFNZRJE
AQ DF  Post #: 125
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