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4/26/2011 4:57:06   
BlueKatz
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Ok have to say this Unlimited Varium is one thing, we can understand it harm ED
However the Founder armor "up to date and Founders do pay to upgrade" harm what?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 26
4/26/2011 5:01:23   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 Its cause nice armor my opinion I think everyone should have chance of own it.
AQ Epic  Post #: 27
4/26/2011 5:02:26   
BlueKatz
Member

they had chance to buy it :/
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 28
4/26/2011 5:02:28   
T.600
Member

Yes I didn't buy founder BlueKatz. I suggested that non founders get a good, rare cool-looking armor and founders also get their armors buffed but we saw how selfish these founders are. They already got their armor buffed once, its been the best armor for almost 2 years and they have an acheivment for it. Still want more? That's how the world works, we keep asking for more and more and more.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 29
4/26/2011 5:02:51   
RKC
Member

I don't know why some the players are so afraid of founders armor.

< Message edited by RKC -- 4/26/2011 5:03:40 >
AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 30
4/26/2011 5:03:26   
BlueKatz
Member

Season rare get buffed all year and don't u see how selfish they are?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 31
4/26/2011 5:06:00   
Gotai
Member

@T
When did founder armor got buffed?? did i missed something? Its same as 1 year ago...
Post #: 32
4/26/2011 5:06:03   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

they had chance to buy it :/


yah a year ago. but talk about those just came after beta. Why should they get short end of stick and founders get there armor upgraded.
AQ Epic  Post #: 33
4/26/2011 5:06:33   
T.600
Member

Seasonal rares get slight buffs each year so they match with the "latest" weapons. This is actually a good idea, because old auxes like cupids bane become usable since their damage isn't too low. Rares have been buffed; rixty and soul rippers were given 2 extra slots, bunnyzookas were given one extra damage and founders GOT 10 ENHANCEMENT SLOTS AND THEIR ARMOR CHANGED WITH CLASS CHANGE.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 34
4/26/2011 5:09:46   
BlueKatz
Member

quote:

Seasonal rares get slight buffs each year so they match with the "latest" weapons. This is actually a good idea, because old auxes like cupids bane become usable since their damage isn't too low. Rares have been buffed; rixty and soul rippers were given 2 extra slots, bunnyzookas were given one extra damage and.


The part " founders GOT 10 ENHANCEMENT SLOTS AND THEIR ARMOR CHANGED WITH CLASS CHANGE" is not seasonal buff

that's the point

@xxmirxx well they had chances to find and play it :P like using google
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 35
4/26/2011 5:10:43   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

When did founder armor got buffed?? did i missed something? Its same as 1 year ago...


not even a year ago more like 6 months ago.
AQ Epic  Post #: 36
4/26/2011 5:11:36   
T.600
Member

^Exactly: the devs aren't inclined to buff rares, they could leave them as they are but they choose to buff due to our demands.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 37
4/26/2011 5:19:09   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

@xxmirxx well they had chances to find and play it :P like using google


game was not well know back then. besides seems to me you guys aren't willingly to come up with solution to make both non founders and founders happy. if wasn't for reason Shadronica told me why you want to keep armor I would thought that greedy. btw shundraa is non founder she is good. So I think you guys can handle not use founder armor anymore.
AQ Epic  Post #: 38
4/26/2011 5:20:29   
Gotai
Member

@T
You still havent answerd me... When did they buffed founder armor???
Post #: 39
4/26/2011 5:24:06   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 it was in december 2010 when all armors was buff. But founder was suppose to be best at that time.
AQ Epic  Post #: 40
4/26/2011 5:24:06   
T.600
Member

^They gave it 10 enhancement slots, that was the buff. I never said I was against them buffing it again as long as non founders get a cool looking armor with good stat placement comparible to founder duel master armor.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 41
4/26/2011 5:26:33   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 I don't think get it T.600.
AQ Epic  Post #: 42
4/26/2011 5:28:01   
T.600
Member

In simple terms: Buff founder armor
Make a good armor for non founders so everyone is happy!
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 43
4/26/2011 5:38:24   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 ^

But then Founder armour would set the absolute limit for all armours. No armour can ever exceed it, or the Founder community would spark a backlash on the grounds of a broken promise. There can only be so much diversity for armours; soon the main attraction to buying armours would be for their looks or because you don't already have one (thus nullifying the concept of limited rares, since you just get something like it eventually).It's not about being 'scared of the Founder armour'. It's that with one armour forever being the best, it would effectively set the ultimate limit.

Unlimited varium would be quite unfair, given the eventual profit of potentially an unlimited amount of money (so long as the game keeps including varium items). It makes no sense to offer such benefits. You might want to compare this with the permanent membership most other AE games offer. But the difference is that varium is a currency, not a status symbol. The other AE games, as with any rational company, would never offer unlimited Z-Tokens/DragonCoins/Nova Gems/ACs. There's a difference between allowing someone to get better items and allowing him to get the most premium of items at no cost.

T.600's 'solution' is only postponing the problem. It is sure to surface again. In my opinion the Founders don't get deprived much by their armour not being the 'best'. It will always be somewhere near the top. Your gear doesn't have to be the 'best', it just has to be good enough. With strategy, you can outsmart even the most up-to-date varium players.

It's the same mentality with varium, why some keep buying while others don't; you don't need the best and latest gear to win. If you have good gear, then it is sufficient. You are not obliged to keep buying; you just think you have to in order to win. In fact what makes you a winner is ultimately your philosophy; your ability to evolve your build with each radical update, and above all your attitude towards the game.

The future is based on the past. But the past should never dictate and constrain the future (within reason, of course, so don't start another world war). Think about it.

< Message edited by Silver Sky Magician -- 4/26/2011 5:49:23 >
Post #: 44
4/26/2011 5:41:42   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 Don't worry everone dev's won't do it. Its like mages want healing loop back. I think you guys get what I mean.
AQ Epic  Post #: 45
4/26/2011 5:42:42   
T.600
Member

I never mentioned making them the best armors in the game, I just want a nice armor because its the only thing I lack :(
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 46
4/26/2011 5:44:32   
TankMage
Member

Ok, Heres just my thoughts about the topic. [This was annoying to write (I don't usually make long threads) So read it >:D]
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
This is a list of the best armours to date.

Bunny Borg ~ 24 Stat Modifiers (4,4,4,4)
~ 9 Resistance or Defense
Founder - 26 Stat Modifiers (0,8,8,0)
- 7 Resistance
Space Warrior - 24 Stat Modifiers (4,4,4,4)
- 8 Resistance or Defense
WarBot - 24 Stat Modifiers (6,2,6,2)
- 8 Resistance or Defense
Banana Suit - 24 Stat Modifiers (4,2,4,6)
- 8 Resistance or Defense
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
~ Resistance & Defense to Stat Modifiers ~
9 = 27 (Bunny Borg)
8 = 24 (Space Warrior, WarBot & Banana Suit)
7 = 21 (Founder)
Epic Duel Stat Progression
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
~ Total Stat Modifiers ~

Bunny Borg ~ 51
Founder Armour ~ 47
Space Warrior ~ 48
WarBot ~ 48
Banana Suit ~ 48
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
~The Difference between founder and the new armours~

Founder has 1 Less stat point compared to ~ Space warrior, Warbot & Banana Suit
Founder has 4 Less stat points compared to ~ Bunny Borg
Meaning ....
Founder has 0.33* Less of a +1 Resistance / Defense bonus. ~ Compared to Space warrior, Warbot & Banana Suit
Founder has 1.33* Less of a +1 Resistance / Defense bonus. ~ Compared to Bunny Borg
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

But although founder has the least amount of Stat Modifiers. The positioning of them is much more suitable to have a variety of different builds compared to all other armours. Founder has a 0,8,8,0 (+10) Setup (Varies on which class you are.) Which is much more agreeing to different builds compared to either to the other 4,4,4,4 (+8)or 6,2,6,2 (+8) & 2,4,4,6(+8) Mods.

~Having an 0,8,8,0 (+10) is alot better because it gives you the option to put your stats into 3 skills compared to 4. Having this allows you put your points into the stats that you want rather then having them in a stat you don't want.

I personally have Space Warrior, Warbot & Bunny Borg. (I was around for the founder promotion but did not have the money at the time.)

And I would swap any of them for Founder. The stat location on Space Warrior, Warbot & Bunny Borg does not suit my build at all. I am a mage and don't use strength. But these armours force me to have 4 - 6 wasted stat points on a skill. (Taking away their better stat mods.)


Ok for these reasons I believe founder should stay how it is. Founder has being and still is the most competitive armour in the game. It has the best stat mod locations. (Only has a -1 or -2 Less resistance or defense, But this is recovered by wasted stat points in the new armours.) So in reality 1 - 4 less stat points, But the new armours have those stats placed in 4 skills rather then 2. (Having stats placed in 2 skills rather then 4 allows you to put them on the stats you want, Rather then having 4 - 6 stat mods on a skill that you don't use.) Which means even over a year later founder still dominates and keeps up with the new armours.

Also ~ Whens the last time you heard someone say founder looks bad?

The only buff I believe would be suitable is a +1 Resistance making it on par with Bunny Borg (Stat mod wise) Which would also make sure its not OPed.


quote:

But we are not obligated to create content specifically for Alphas, Elites, Founders, Betas and so on. Anything special we give these supporters is a gift given out of appreciation and kindness, not obligation.

[Nightwraith ^]

I especially agree with this. They did not have to give these rewards, They chose to.








< Message edited by ED_TankMage -- 4/26/2011 5:59:19 >

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AQ Epic  Post #: 47
4/26/2011 5:52:04   
xxmirxx
Member
 
quote:

Founder- 26 Stat Modifiers (0,8,8,0) - 7 Resistance


you made mistake they have (0,7,8,8) now add 10 slots its still great armor by far.
AQ Epic  Post #: 48
4/26/2011 5:57:12   
Rooster
Member

In my opinion, it would be best to allow us to "emulate" the founder look on any armor we have in our inventory. This way, we can always buy the best armor in game, but still have it look like founders. Advantage for us: we look good and can strut our stuff. Advantage for staff: no need to buff founder armor with every new release AND they get varium for every armor we buy.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 49
4/26/2011 5:57:32   
TankMage
Member

quote:

but we are not obligated to create content specifically for Alphas, Elites, Founders, Betas and so on. Anything special we give these supporters is a gift given out of appreciation and kindness, not obligation.


They have 2 +8 Stat Mods. Then + 7 Resitance Then + 10 enhancement slots.
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