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5/12/2011 21:46:45   
Novaburst
Member

Boosters being dishonorable, please, thats like saying someone who gets the flu shouldn't take medicine because its dishonorable to not let your body fight for itself, or to another extent a soldier not using a bandage on a bleeding wound in the middle of a firefight because it wouldn't be "honorable".

Plus boosters don't even give you many points of health anyway, its not like it makes a big difference accept in those occasional REALLY close battles.
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 51
5/12/2011 21:55:04   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 @Frogbones
I completely agree with you.

To all of you out their flaming Frogbones, honestly stop. This is just ridiculous. He isn't trolling anyone, he's just asking your opinion.

To some extent however I have to disagree with Frogbones, in that this game is an "RPG".

So essentially, most RPGs contain some sort of healing system. There are HP Potions and MP Potions throughout the world of RPGs. And it makes sense this should have healing items.

Also, for that matter, non variums are super UP (underpowered). They need Health Packs and Boosters to survive Varium users, to at least increase their chances.....

So I guess there are certain counter arguments and arguments.

But honestly, who knows? Maybe the mods will add Phoenix Down*.................


*if you don't know what Phoenix Down is, it basically revives a teammate if that teammate has died. Gives em 1/4 hp.
AQW Epic  Post #: 52
5/12/2011 22:14:10   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 Every time I disagree Lambo with you always say this
quote:

@xxmirxx. Like I said stop complaining. Be very grateful of the paying community keeping this game alive & letting you keep on playing.


IsaiahtheMage only reason I am still here cause of people I meet in the game. Why should I leave just cause I don't like the game does mean I want to leave or find it waste off life. I am here for one reason only thats for people I ment here. IsaiahtheMage stop flaming here just go some where else.
AQ Epic  Post #: 53
5/12/2011 22:34:50   
helloguy
Member

@Hypedxlord We know he asked for our opinions and we approached him with honesty. it just he got but hurt and started flaming
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 54
5/12/2011 22:39:21   
LambO
Member

@mirxx. Is it a lie? No. Yet you still just complain, complain, complain.

That's really dumb if you're just staying here for you're online friends. There's more games, there's more ways to talk to them over the internet. If you Really did hate this game & found it a waste of you're life you would of left long ago. Stop prolonging the impossible. You will be here till ED has ended. Just admit the truth. You like this game, you're to cheap to buy varium & you're just a complainer.

LambO
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 55
5/12/2011 23:07:15   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 actually I just been disagree with you. but you claim I complain.
AQ Epic  Post #: 56
5/12/2011 23:08:46   
AQWPlayer
Member

quote:

Why do people use boosters?
Because it's available.

If you don't use boosters, then don't use it.
But if you don't use boosters, then you'll be at a disadvantage to those who use boosters.

I don't care about this honor thing, if you enter a random 1vs1, then expect to play by everything that is available.
If you don't feel this to be true, then you're just an idiot who can't realize that this is how the world revolves, making use of what you have and do not have and adapting.

And to support this opinion, think of the healer achievement. "There is no shame in boosting every now and then"
AQW  Post #: 57
5/12/2011 23:23:29   
aqwshadowking14
Member

Isn't this kind of like those threads where players call you a noob for healing. Btw, there is even a box made for each player, since its there why not just use it?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 58
5/12/2011 23:30:03   
Aere
Member
 

 You are explaining an honor code? Tell me, what is guerilla warfare? Quite sure that's the exact opposite, but it seems to work; Considering that's how the American Revolution was fought (Americans didn't abide by the stand across from each other, see the whites of your opponent's eyes rules).

Code of honor with boosters means nothing; it's bringing a gun (or more of a second knife) to a knife fight.
AQW Epic  Post #: 59
5/13/2011 1:32:33   
frogbones
Banned


 Okay, back from reality. Read all the subsequent posts since my last one. Yes, my original post was incindiary. Sorry 'bout that. There were some points of view I can appreciate, especially the non-varium one. If a NV boosts, I completely understand (even though it's usually futile and a waste of credits). But if it's a similiar-level Varium opponent who boosts, that's when I usually laugh out loud and take it as a moral victory---whether I win or lose (but especially if I lose).

However ...

... I still stand by my statement: Boosting is tacit admission of being outdueled by one's opponent. There's just no getting around it.

< Message edited by frogbones -- 5/13/2011 1:33:43 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 60
5/13/2011 1:53:22   
My Name is Jake
Banned
quote:

Irrefutably, here's what you're saying if you Boost:

1) Your opponent is better than you.

2) You have been outdueled by your opponent.

3) You need a crutch to win.

4) You can't win straight-up.

5) You don't deserve a Duelist's respect.


I agree with this.
AQW Epic  Post #: 61
5/13/2011 2:22:50   
Ashari
Inconceivable!


 @frogbones: Isn't this just arbitrarily saying one thing is dishonorable to do while the rest is fine? I fail to see how this is any different from using Field Medic (or any skill for that matter).

Arbitrarily then, couldn't you also say that any game aspect is considered dishonorable or disrespectful if you'd lose without using it? The same could be said to using Stun Grenade, Overload or Maul because without the stun, you'd lose in the same way you'd lose without a booster.

I'm just saying it doesn't really make sense to say one aspect of the game is dishonorable, especially considering boosters are one of the fairest aspects of EpicDuel. Everyone can use boosters, everyone gets the same amount of HP/EP from boosters and that just means you should expect boosters to be utilized the same as any other skill (and yes, I do consider boosters a skill).

That's just my personal view of it... I say if you can edge out a victory by using boosters, that's just playing smart. :)
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 62
5/13/2011 4:23:47   
Remorse
Member

I think you'll find that boosting incorperated into builds is the only creativity left in this game and i admire players who are able to get over the common build hump ( using the same regular build because everything else is underpowered) even if this means they have to use boosters to be able to step out of the borring zone which i'll think you'l find the creatre of this post is stuck in. My guess is the Creater of this post uses a copied commonly known build and is anoyed when they come into battle with someone who uses a unique build which requires boosters and is shocked to find that they lose even though they have a common set of boring builds hence leaving the player with the only option to blame boosters as it couldnt obviosly be something to do with their build. Get over it mate boosters are a great contribution to the game and yes i use them and no i havnt lost "respect"
Epic  Post #: 63
5/13/2011 7:42:33   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Mirxx
quote:

IsaiahtheMage stop flaming here just go some where else.

How about you go somewhere else? You say I am flaming? You said I have no honor and I am dishonorable because I use boosters and a robot. You know you like ED. You will continue to play this because of some online friends while your wasting your life? If there online friends you dont even know them in real life and that is a motive to keep wasting your life? Talk about a bullcrap excuse. You just tag along with anyone. So you be against the people who proved you wrong on many occcasions. Ok FrogBones is the main one he is calling anyone who plays fair and squares should have no "respect" from other duelist and has no honor and is not a "true duelist". So dont tell me about flaming.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 5/13/2011 7:46:49 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 64
5/13/2011 7:53:02   
Santa ClawZz
Member

All is fair in love and war...I think that's the saying, right?

Frankly, I don't care if you respect or disrespect me while I'm KILLING you. This is a PvP game and there is no honor in killing opponents, so using an "unfair" move is nothing but an addition to this "win to be best" game.
AQW Epic  Post #: 65
5/13/2011 8:31:48   
Sageofpeace
Member

the only god thing about this thread is the fight between lamboo and asaihmage againts mirv so funny

On topic: people always wanted to complain about something booster is a part of the game and helps a lot there is no need for this thread it should be lock
Post #: 66
5/13/2011 11:44:23   
frogbones
Banned


 I see your point, Ashari. I do concede that there are pepole who use Boosters strategically, as opposed to people who use them when they've been otherwise outdueled. The difference being the former plans on using their booster EVERY battle at a certain strategical point in the match (given a same-level opponent), while the latter does it only when they believe they are about to be defeated.



AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 67
5/13/2011 12:03:20   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Frogbones And just because your about to be defeated doesnt mean your opponet is better then you as I said before they can get tons of luck when you have higher dex and support. So you need to realize that instead of calling anyone who users boosters a duelist who has no "honor" and "respect" and doesnt deserve to be called a "true duelist" and is flat-out wrong for not agreeing on your opinion.
AQW Epic  Post #: 68
5/13/2011 12:41:16   
PivotalDisorder
Member

boosters are for nubs :) they should remove em from player duels......NPC only.

you spend ages refining your build and ur opponent can undo it for some credits which means you HAVE to use boosters too [tho i never have].
with the field medic ability, seems abit cheap to have an extra heal and energy boost available. I just think it ruins the great fights you can have,

but if their was an ability similar to field medic, for 25 energy I would use it, so i suppose its not really all that.

< Message edited by Jehannum -- 5/13/2011 12:42:58 >
Post #: 69
5/13/2011 12:47:00   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

^Well since you have the oppurtunity to use something that all players can use even non varium players. For only 9-28 credits and it can give you a advantage well only a nub would say that. Well people who say someone is a nub for doing whatever they can fair and square no cheating involed to win for a low amount of credits is nub then they must be a nub themselves. Happy nub day. :)
AQW Epic  Post #: 70
5/13/2011 13:10:16   
frogbones
Banned


 Isaiah, not all battles are determined by luck. You realize that, right? Some battles are the "good" ones: no blocks, crits, deflects, etc. Those, imo, are the best ones. You're going back and forth, adapting your strategy to your opponent's, and it ends up coming down to the wire. You're about to win, and then your opponent boosts. It ruins the whole feeling of the "good" game up to that point.

Using the above example, when I lose those types of battles, I am perfectly fine with it. Zero luck factors + a close match (no matter who wins) = an Epic Duel. It's when all that other crud is thrown into the mix that makes this game horribly frustrating.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 71
5/13/2011 13:22:49   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

Yes I do realize that Frogbones. But boosters are in the game to help you out that isnt "crud". Thats like saying a skill like hybrid armor,bloodlust or any skill is "crud" because there to help you out. Going by what your saying can be the same. The battle is good no crits,blocks,deflects and so on but your opponet heals at the last second without a booster. So therefore that is the same thing because they both are not free and cost something booster cost credits healing cost energy but both are there to help you out and both do the same thing. So therefore this entire discussion and arguement is completely invalid. Saying boosting is dishonorable and is disrespectful as a duelist is saying using hybrid armor or using plasma bolt to win is disrespectful. That is clearly not true.
AQW Epic  Post #: 72
5/13/2011 13:33:02   
PivotalDisorder
Member

@Isaiah: i didnt actually call them nubs, lighten up man, I even put a smiley face next to it.

I then explained what I really felt about boosters. I just think they destroy alot of the effort you put into your build.
Post #: 73
5/13/2011 13:36:11   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

^ Oh sorry for thinking you where serious about that. I apologize. They can destroy a lot of effort at the same time help your build even more.
AQW Epic  Post #: 74
5/13/2011 13:44:27   
frogbones
Banned


 Heh, I applaud your passion, sir, but there's no reason to post on this thread if you're gonna say my opinion is invalid because it differs than yours. (FYI, the end of my original post was meant as sarcasm). Just stick to the reasons why you disagree, and let those further your point.

Look, I'm not gonna convince you that boosting is a sign of weakness, or that boosting essentially means that in that particular match your opponent was better than you. Likewise, you're not gonna convince me that boosting is just another element of strategy, or get to me philosophically agree with the "win no matter what" mentality.

So let's leave it at that. Two opposing viewpoints. There's no right or wrong, just different.

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