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7/17/2011 12:59:42   
Callisto
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Right now,lvl difference in 2vs2 is 5.In my opinion that is too much.If you end up with lvl 28 against 2 lvls 33 it's obvious you don't stand a chance.Your partner will most likely be dead by the end of first round or even run.People have been complaining about this imbalance for so long,it's already Delta,don't you think something should be done?

My ideas:
1.Lower the lvl difference to 3,that way every side will have a fair chance of winning (example: 30 and 33 against 33 and 33 in the worst case)
Problem with this(used to be) is that there aren't enough players and it will be harder to find a battle.I don't know how true that is now...
Plus would you rather wait a little longer for a fair fight or get unfair battles many times in a row...I find fair fights much more interesting than the ones where you can see the result of the battle before it even started.

Also there is a problem with ''noobs'' as in players who aren't fully equipped.My idea would be to add weapon requirements for 2vs2 after lvl 28.As in,you need to have primary,gun and aux in order to play 2vs2 after you reach lvl 28.I think that would be reasonable lvl and solution that would help us all.

I know I get upset many times cause of runners,unfair battles,unexperienced players...Most of the people actually run cause the battle is unfair,they see they already lost and don't want to waste time.I admit I did that too few times.Many players avoid 2vs2 cause of the way it is,right now it depends more on luck than skill.You could be the best player in the game with the best weapons,you're still going to lose if you get a bad partner.

More ideas for balance(credits to Buffy and Luna):
-Influence gained by winning in 2vs2 should be 10
-1/2 point per win for faction score (instead of 1/4).

An Example Of The Recurring Problem:

I'm Doing 2vs2 On An Alt... A Level 33 Merc.

I'm Standing Next To My Partner, A Level 28 Mage, Equipped With Only A Staff.

We Are Facing 2 Level 33 Tac Mercs, Full Varium, Fully Enhanced.

Now, We All Like A Challenge, But I Had No Chance Of Winning, Seriously.
-Buffy

2vs2 is not going anywhere and it's broken,so I think it's about time to fix 2vs2 balance and make it more fun and fair for everybody.What do you think?

< Message edited by Callisto -- 7/18/2011 8:28:20 >

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7/17/2011 13:07:32   
Luna_moonraider
Member

callisto my friend 2v2 have been broken since beta. the devs are just ignoring us. does any1 knows all the names of the people in the 2v2 all times. does any1 even know which faction is the best in 2v2. basically all every1 care about is 1v1.

Lots of things are broken in 2v2 here are a few which i can spot.

1) influence gained by 2v2 factions is too low
2) partnering of 2v2 stinks
3) Luck is a very big factor in 2v2 because without luck u will not get a good or decent partner




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AQW Epic  Post #: 2
7/17/2011 13:28:07   
Buffy A. Summers
Member

Hey Calli & Luna! I Agree With You Both.

2vs2 Level Difference Should Be Within 3 Levels, Not 5... To Help With More Balanced Matches. So What If We Wait An Extra 10 Seconds For Battle To Start?

And Of Course, 2vs2 Influence Should Be 10 For Each Win. And 1/2 Point Per Win For Faction Score (Instead Of 1/4).

I'd Love The Requirement For Having Gun/Aux As Well With Primary To Enter Battle.

Great Ideas, Too Bad The Admins Never Listen Or Learn.
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
7/17/2011 13:31:20   
Calogero
Member

I agree

if the lvl difference were to be smaller, maybe more people would do 2 vs 2

I myself am not doing it now mainly because I always get stuck with a lvl 28

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7/17/2011 13:42:59   
...Sonya...
Banned


 Ok Well 1st of all I was doing 2v2 when i was a level 32,Managed to reach 95.2% with 80 wins.
I 2v2'd Today & I won 9-14 Fights Which = 64%

This isnt just badluck I've been getting this too often.

Some people who cant afford To keep Buying varium but have bought some Use'd ( Note how I used "Use'd) To play 2v2 To Still be able to win,But now its gone to the dogs.

There are many Reasons For People not playing 2v2 anymore.

1.The Level Gap is Way too open.No way me and a non varium 28 Can handle two 33's Varium Tactical Merc.
2. The Influence Gained From 2v2 Is the same as a 1v1 Fight,An average 1v1 fight is 46 Seconds. An average all 33 Fight in 2v2 is Approx. 4 Minutes.
3. From Above its way Too hard For a 2v2 Faction too win WD,Even Though some have !

And many more,Please Share Your ideas here And I can Add this To the : Help The 2v2 List !

Thanks -Sonya

< Message edited by ...Sonya... -- 7/17/2011 14:12:52 >
Epic  Post #: 5
7/17/2011 13:45:20   
edwardvulture
Member

quote:

[.No way me and a non varium 28 Can handle two 33's Varium Tactical Merc/quote]
Do you want nonvariums to be buffed now/:
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7/17/2011 13:45:42   
BurningFlames
Member

1.The Level Gap is Way too open.No way me and a non varium 28 Can handle two 33's Varium Tactical Merc. Because There isn't many players D:
2. The Influence Gained From 2v2 Is the same as a 1v1 Fight,An average 1v1 fight is 46 Seconds. An average all 33 Fight in 2v2 is Approx. 4 Minutes. This I can Agree on
3. From Above its way Too hard For a 2v2 Faction too win WD,Even Though some have ! Also True

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7/17/2011 13:46:30   
...Sonya...
Banned


 @Edward,No a skilled non varium 33 and a varium 33 Can handle 2 33's Full varium.

The level Cap is the Problem!

-Sonya
Epic  Post #: 8
7/17/2011 13:53:29   
Fatal Impact
Member

When I do 2v2 I use a strength build and sometimes I can do a 1 hitter double strike and finish the 2nd one in about 30 seconds so 2v2 battles for me last about a minute.
Epic  Post #: 9
7/17/2011 13:54:40   
Callisto
Member

I'm glad you agree.If you have any more ideas for the balance tell me and I'll add them.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
7/17/2011 13:55:28   
...Sonya...
Banned


 @ Fatal Yeah what if your turns last and u got a noob 28 partner and 2 support mercs kill u in 1st round ?

-Sonya
Epic  Post #: 11
7/17/2011 13:58:02   
edwardvulture
Member

So its ok that they put unwinnable battles in one on one and not on two on two?
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7/17/2011 14:01:25   
Callisto
Member

^Yes because they take less time,less influence,less tokens...And you can actually beat 5 lvls above from lvl 1 to 25 or so.I know cause I did many times.
If you lose in 1vs1,it's your loss but in 2vs2 it's not only yours but your partners too.

< Message edited by Callisto -- 7/17/2011 14:02:48 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
7/17/2011 14:05:02   
Giras Wolfe
Member

All true, but giving your threads titles like that is attention begging.
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7/17/2011 14:06:07   
DeathSpawn
Banned


 It's always going to be unbalanced no matter what they do. Say they do make this change, then people will complain more about how their 30 is non varium and their fighting two 33 full variums.

Is two levels going to really make up the difference? Nope

Problem is you more than likely have a build that can't stand on its own. Two levels isn't the problem.

Only way for balance is if each spot had a specific selection process. Problem with that is that it would take forever to find a match and we wouldn't encounter those really good fights where we get to kill two full 33 variums by ourselves which is extremely satisfying and part of what makes 2v2 more exciting.

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7/17/2011 14:07:38   
...Sonya...
Banned


 Im pretty Sure 100% of 33 Varium 2v2 Players are begging this instant!

-Sonya
Epic  Post #: 16
7/17/2011 14:10:08   
BLAMitsALEX
Member
 

 I agree, everything in 2v2 is wrong,
Ex, I am currently level 28, (200xp from 29) i think it may be a glitch but i got paired with a lvl 19 and we were against levels 24/26.
It's hard enough to battle:
1v1 at my level (Mercs/Tac.Mercs/BloodMages destroy me EVERY time)
IM A CYBER HUNTER and need else 50k creds or to spend my last 900 varium
2v2 my partner always leaves or never listens.


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Epic  Post #: 17
7/17/2011 14:11:13   
Callisto
Member

If you are 30 fighting lvls 33 and 33,that means you will have lvl 33 as your partner.Not that bad after all,at least not the way I see it.And people are already complaining,getting annoyed,mad...Can it get any worse?
I think 3 lvls will make a difference but I respect your opinion.Lets hear more :)
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
7/17/2011 14:11:17   
DeathSpawn
Banned


 Agree with giras what kind of title is that? Lol

Anyway when your not at the max level it's far easier to maintain a high percentage win rate as your not getting stuck with the lower level consistently making that comment invalid.

Also why is it that everyday there's multiple threads on the same subject? Do you people see one thread then decide to make your own or what?

Oh and as the 33 full varium with the highest win rate I'm definitely not begging for that garbage because there's many other things that are more important to fix atm.

Turn skips, Disconnects, Disconnects before the battle even starts, AND Buff and Debuff skills either lasting a turn shorter or a turn longer than they should!

That should be the priority IMO

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< Message edited by Illuminator -- 7/18/2011 7:26:36 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
7/17/2011 14:13:35   
...Sonya...
Banned


 @Death : No the higher Your level the more chance of getting Stuck With a nub ._.

-Sonya
Epic  Post #: 20
7/17/2011 14:15:54   
Wraith
Member
 

 True. I've Ben scared out of 2vs2 for the last few wweeks, and today when I went back, guess what? It was me and a nonvarium level 29 up against 2 Varium 33s! How nice of titan to give me a free loss. I feel horrible for the lower levels that we ditch all the time since we are unsatisfied with the 2vs2 mode.
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7/17/2011 14:18:33   
DeathSpawn
Banned


 How about instead of bothering with a two level change we concentrate on the things that really cause unfair battles??

Turn Skips, Disconnects either by an Admin warning mid battle or a Connection Lost- Refresh Your Browser Screen, Cancelling a battle then still get in match even though your not actually there and causing your partner to be alone from the start, AND how about the 2 turn and 4 turn buffs debuffs glitches that you people aren't noticing???

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< Message edited by Illuminator -- 7/18/2011 7:27:08 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 22
7/17/2011 14:30:31   
Callisto
Member

^^ That belongs in lag and bug topics mostly.And range idea is 3,not 2.
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
7/17/2011 16:00:59   
DeathSpawn
Banned
quote:

1.Lower the lvl difference to 3,that way every side will have a fair chance of winning (example: 30 and 33 against 33 and 33 in the worst case)


^ For one it's been in the bugs section for ages and I've never heard anyone else talk about it because apparently people don't utilize actual strat and only whine about someones level.

Also if you read my post you would see I was referring to 2 as the "Change" in the current level difference.

I'll say it again, a 2 level change won't change a thing. If fairness is what your looking for then concentrate on spamming the main issues that really affect ones percentage as I previously stated.

Turn skips, Cancelling a match and getting in anyway causing your partner to be alone when your character dc's, Disconnects due to Admin warnings and the Connection Lost - Refresh Browser screen, AND the random 2 or 4 turn buffs debuffs which isn't getting acknowledged.

Open your eyes and think about where the focus should lie.

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< Message edited by Illuminator -- 7/18/2011 7:29:48 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 24
7/17/2011 16:13:51   
Chosen 0ne
Banned


 i hate 2v2 lol.
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