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8/28/2011 12:06:45   
Epic Pwnser
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aqwshadowking14
Kurz Elite has 29 stats in total counting enhancements. It's the highest 99.6% sure ^_^
Epic  Post #: 451
8/28/2011 12:13:26   
FrostWolv
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quote:



originally by Wiseman

@FrostWolv: I'd love to help, but the problem is I don't know what could be causing it. I switched to the new flash version and everything is working far more smoothly now. Are you 100% sure you switched? In order for the change to take place you have to first go to your plugins and disabled the old version, then download and enable the newer version (at least that's what I had to do *I'm using Firefox*).

If your using chrome or IE then I cannot help you, since I really don't know how to update it on those browsers.



Thnx bro ..... I re-installed it and its working better!!!

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Epic  Post #: 452
8/28/2011 12:22:45   
Wiseman
Member

@aqwshadowking14: With enhancements I'm sure, however if you enhance Kurz fully it has 29 stats. There is no guns with 28 stats when not enhanced, if there is then it's a bug and should be reported.

@FrostWolv: That's great, I'm glad I could help! :)

< Message edited by Wiseman -- 8/28/2011 12:26:52 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 453
8/28/2011 12:24:56   
Basicball
Member

there's a 2nd one btw (if i recall it correctly)

i believe the mine tower underground?

anway, the wiki page knows all, you could've just checked :p
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 454
8/28/2011 12:35:48   
LambO
Member

@Fay Beee, lol. xD! Barmy. =P

I mean some colours so we can match with our colours we like, ya know. =)
So SOME weapons that are colour customable would be nice... =P
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 455
8/28/2011 12:57:01   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Finally a new gun for me ive used Desert blaster since Beta now Headhunter SMG is an even better option for my caster build thx a million times Devs
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 456
8/28/2011 13:09:42   
aqwshadowking14
Member

@Epic

My bad.

Edit: ACRP 45 has 28 stats too, but lower dmg.

< Message edited by aqwshadowking14 -- 8/28/2011 13:15:10 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 457
8/28/2011 13:20:18   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 You guys are forgetting...

The best gun for support builds is Stun Gun. +9 + 8 enh. = 17. Still the best out there.
AQW Epic  Post #: 458
8/28/2011 13:28:03   
zelemania
Member
 

 @hyped Kurz elite is way better than Stun guns stat wise, tho 5% stun and a little higher dmg could be helpful sometimes.
Post #: 459
8/28/2011 13:51:25   
Jatar The Legend
Member

With Kurz, founder, Delta, and serpent all enhanced, I get +64 Strength. :D
DF  Post #: 460
8/28/2011 13:53:08   
Ubear
Member

Kurz Elite has -2 damage but +3 stats when compared to Jade Magnum or its energy version. 2 damage is equal to 10 strength... 10-3= 7 stat points you are missing out on... Am I missing something?
AQ Epic  Post #: 461
8/28/2011 13:56:45   
voidance
Member

I get +67 strength and jade magnum is a fail if your using delta staff
AQW Epic  Post #: 462
8/28/2011 14:01:01   
Wraith
Member
 

 ^Uh devils Kurz Elite is getting +12 dex, +12 str is a bug =_=
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 463
8/28/2011 14:04:16   
Wiseman
Member

@Ubear: Yes, your forgetting to calculate the 2 turn cool-down that guns have, when you add that into the equation it lowers the number of stats per dmg significantly. Also the base number for adding strength is 4 not 5, so 2 dmg would = 8 stats if it was a primary weapon, however like I said you have to factor in the 2 turn cool-down of guns.

< Message edited by Wiseman -- 8/28/2011 14:07:09 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 464
8/28/2011 14:08:02   
Basicball
Member

+str also effects non-gun things like strike and certain skills
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 465
8/28/2011 16:15:22   
zion
Member

@WISEMAN:

It seems that you have some input on stats - is this true?

I think it would be beneficial for an official response from someone official regarding stats/damage for each level - including varium/rarity bonuses.

The sooner a standard is set, the sooner we can be smarter shoppers and there would never be another complaint about stats/
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 466
8/28/2011 16:44:22   
Ashari
Inconceivable!


 The standards aren't all finished yet, but as parts of them are finished, they'll get applied to items that are released. As you can probably tell, there isn't a pricing standard yet, so the level 33 weapons are a bit on the cheap side! Applying these standards retroactively probably won't happen because of the time it would require and the mess it would make with peoples existing builds.

Here's how the tradeoff between stats and damage will work. Normally 1 damage would equal 4 stats (note that diminishing returns are not taken into account in this conversion) if you could use that weapon every turn. Guns have a 2 turn cooldown, in other words they can be used every 3rd turn, so their damage bonus is 1/3 of it's listed value, or 1 damage = 4/3 stat points. Auxiliaries factor in their cooldown in the same way, except they have a 3 turn cooldown, so their damage is equal to 1/4 of it's listed value or 1 damage = 1 stat point.

@gk365: Yep, Wiseman and myself were responsible for stating these new weapons. ^^

< Message edited by Ashari -- 8/28/2011 17:00:43 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 467
8/28/2011 17:00:34   
Basicball
Member

@ashari:

let's say (theoretically) a gun would have 50 Stats,
then it could have 40 Dmg and +20dex (wow, my expample is OP O.o)
anyway, an aux generally has a bit more dmg (5 or 6?)
so let's say 46 dmg, that way, only +4 dex remains.

now, if we do the same with a 30 stat gun:
24 dmg, +12 dex
aux: 30 dmg, +0 dex

my point is, doesn't this make guns OP and auxes UP?
or do auxes get more stats then guns? or am i missing something?

also, how many stats/ lvl do weapons get?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 468
8/28/2011 17:08:15   
helloguy
Member

You forgot to take into account that guns damage increases with strength and auxiliaries with support
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 469
8/28/2011 22:59:34   
LatinLover/Martini
Member

^^^ i forgot to realize that :o ty XD
AQW Epic  Post #: 470
8/28/2011 23:12:53   
Khimera
Member

@Shari: There are problems with those assumptions that I shall explain to you next time you come on MSN ._.
Post #: 471
8/29/2011 5:46:05   
zion
Member

@Ashari:
Thanks for the reply.
I would like to know if standards are in place / will be in place for different levels of rarity and if there will be a standard varium boost.
In AQ, its clear how much stronger my guardian eqips are (3 lvls) and ztoken equips (10 levels)
Right now an up-to-date varium lvl 33 is around 15 levels higher than an up-to-date non-varium - can a lvl 18 char compete with a lvl 33? (Just the fact that varium weapons are so much less limiting in terms of build creativity is a HUGE boost)
Also, my rares are being outclassed by common equipment - will this be a trend?
Thanks!
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 472
8/29/2011 11:13:04   
Basicball
Member

^it's far from 15 levels bro, i'll use the example you gave:

a level 18 full varium VS a lvl 33 non-varium

i'm 100% sure that the lvl 33 will win, even if he has a crappy build and 0 enhancements (P.S.: enhancements ARE availible for non-varium)

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 473
8/29/2011 12:59:45   
Clutch
Member

quote:

As you can probably tell, there isn't a pricing standard yet, so the level 33 weapons are a bit on the cheap side!


I was kind of angered by this comment. Cheap side? You mean to tell me the pricing standard could be changed.. for the worse? Did I miss the memo where 995 varium was cheap??? I'm sorry but that is just not cool.
AQ Epic  Post #: 474
8/29/2011 13:08:09   
Epic Pwnser
Member

^I feel that way as well lol.
If you call 995 varium cheap when comparing this to 10,000 varium for $50. Which is about $5.00....
then that is just insane already.

IMO, there should be a pricing standard when the value of varium is raised far higher than what is now.
Perhaps, 20,000 for $50. Then each weapon as of now would be only $2.50.

So I wouldn't call it the "cheap" side, that's the wrong word for it.

Edit: On topic:
My headhunter SMG is doing quite well for my expectations. Now all we need is a good 16 stat non-varium energy auxiliary. Without ridiculous requirements.

< Message edited by Epic Pwnser -- 8/29/2011 13:10:16 >
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