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We have to understand that the Player's expectations have doubled, but our developing staff has not. Neither have their resources to handle things.

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In all reality, the reason people act as they do is because they were conditioned. They are not inherently responsible for their problems. And no, I'm not dodging their sense of responsibility. I'm not defending them either. The point is that they act as they do now because you made them that way.

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But... to every effect, there is an cause. I don't think that it was anything to do with the Greed of the developers. No. It was far from that. Rather, I'l going to shift my ground and focus to my admonishment not to the staff; But to the players.

When I mean player, I mean YOU. Yes YOU. The Player YOU. You whom are behind that computer/laptop monitor reading this sentence right now.

I'll be truthful and cogent about this: It's the player's fault. Not the Developer's fault.

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In all reality, the reason people act as they do is because they were conditioned. They are not inherently responsible for their problems. And no, I'm not dodging their sense of responsibility. I'm not defending them either. The point is that they act as they do now because you made them that way.
Let me say you is the person's decision to change. E.g: My girlfriend plays with me and breaks my heart. Now I to take vengeance, will do the same to the girl that really loves me? X. This is a really great example and it is a error you will have to regret in the future if you do it.

PD, maybe you're one of the fews along with Jzaanu and all others that have a greater influence at suggestions given to the Devs, but the whole community doens't. This is a lie Devs always say, we love all players the same. WRONG! Their is always a favorite group of players and even in real life, a teacher has a favorite student. You're the clean students and we're are the dirty kids that are your classmates and are being ignored. That's the biggest error they commit at the start. Hope you understand my point of view.

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I've read it all and you do make good points but I disagree in some parts.You seem to blame EVERYBODY when in fact,there are people who tried to make a difference.People who gave few excellent ideas,suggestions,who contributed in many good ways.I could name few but I don't think that's necessary.

Their ideas were never listened to,like it meant nothing.How do you explain that?How do you explain the fact that even the good things get ignored?
And even better question,how can we change anything if every good idea we make gets completely ignored?

There is very little communication between players and people responsible for changes.
In conclusion I'd say you're right,it's players fault but not entirely and not everybody's.Majority is the way you described it,immature, selfish,power hungry etc. and those very few who are not cannot fight against it alone.

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This is a lie Devs always say, we love all players the same. WRONG! Their is always a favorite group of players and even in real life, a teacher has a favorite student. You're the clean students and we're are the dirty kids that are your classmates and are being ignored. That's the biggest error they commit at the start. Hope you understand my point of view.

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Honestly can you say the devs are at fault. I think that the player community is just as much, if not more at fault.

They complain and complain then when the devs try to give it too us they complain that they mess it up "this way" or "that way"

Great Post SUP

I hope the ED learns from this :)

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As an actual teacher, I can comment on this.

I don't believe in "bad students" or "good students" persay.

Certainly I've had students I liked more than others, and I've had students who make me wish that teachers could still crack knuckles with a ruler like the olden days. But I don't believe any student is just a bad person, and I always feel bad when I see kids getting kicked out of my class for one reason or another because it does feel like a failure. It's something that some teachers grow callous to over time, just as doctors learn not to break down every time they lose a patient, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's ever easy, and it's never easy for me. Certainly, when I ban people, I HATE it. I'm not thrilled when I hit that button. You're welcome to keep believing that I'm some heartless dude who enjoys throwing power around if it makes you all feel better about demeaning me, but there are people out there who know better of me than you do. *shrug* At any rate, there's no reason to hate any student for me, and I want every student of mine to succeed. And every one who doesn't, well, that hurts. A lot.

I don't think it's a matter of being ignored at all. I think you're all acting out in the only way you know how because you FEEL like you're being ignored, and you don't realize that such behavior is not the proper way to go about it. It's always easier to take constructive criticism to heart than demeaning comments, and all the devs are hearing is the latter. Worse, you don't even realize that you're not being constructive, or you think it's fine because they should just "grow up" and "be adults". But civilized adults don't DO the things you're doing. It's a false belief.

Cindy made an excellent point that I think should be noted here: You don't think anything of insulting the devs when you're mad, because "they're adults" which means they should be willing to take all of your harassment. But think about it....would YOU keep working at a job which beat you up 24/7? They don't HAVE to keep making this game, guys, and if you keep discouraging them, they're not going to want to make this game. But no one seems to be thinking about each other's feelings one bit here. Just because we're all adults doesn't mean feelings stop mattering.