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11/19/2011 8:48:14   
Stabilis
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Where huge people sit at the bars and pubs sneering dreadful expressions at you, where the strongest fighters with the hugest weapons claim superiority in the front-lines. Tension is high as once considered very witty and mastermind war planners disappear without a trace; more brutes enter Delta V to have a share (or not share) of the glories of championship in combat. The bazooka market is plummeting as sidearms outsell.

Is there anyone who can change our values I ask you? Anyone?! Wherever I walk I make sure not to upset the raging locals who want me dead. A once remembered scientist of technology and a good friend and counsellor in support are nowhere to be found. How EpicDuel, how?!

My muscles are huger than yours. Welcome to the Age of Strength.

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AQ Epic  Post #: 1
11/19/2011 9:16:55   
9001WaysToLaugh
Member

Strange... I don't feel very welcome...

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When a prince turns into a frog, he just sits around and waits for a princess to come and kiss him. When Glenn turns into a frog, he cuts a freaking mountain in half.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grS6ZZ7P3zQ
Epic  Post #: 2
11/19/2011 9:22:06   
Remorse
Member

HUH their massive Bodies will never Allow them to get the first blow in!

WHAT! they start O.o

We're ALL GONNA DIE!!
Epic  Post #: 3
11/19/2011 9:25:25   
9001WaysToLaugh
Member

^Even 2v2 is filled with strength builds...
Epic  Post #: 4
11/19/2011 9:27:28   
Wraith
Member
 

Welcome to the age of EMP Grenades that:

  • Force TLMs to not Smoke Screen, Double Strike, or Maul :)
  • Force STR Bounty Hunters to strike over and over, doing little damage.
  • Destroys Focus builds, annoys CHs and TMs, demolish normal Mercenary and Blood Mage.


Still think STR is OP?

But in the case that a STR BH or TLM goes first, I cannot defend myself. By the time a shield is up and I start attacking, half my health is gone while they have 125...
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 5
11/19/2011 9:29:34   
Stabilis
Member

Someone tell wraith why EMP isn't surefire.
AQ Epic  Post #: 6
11/19/2011 9:31:46   
Remorse
Member

Wraith,

I sorta agree with you EMP is great BUT

THEY DO START!

Plus you really think people dont have back ups for EMP?
Epic  Post #: 7
11/19/2011 9:47:59   
Stabilis
Member

*Explodes into a real post!!!*

quote:

Welcome to the age of EMP Grenades that:


Force TLMs to not Smoke Screen, Double Strike, or Maul :)
Force STR Bounty Hunters to strike over and over, doing little damage.
Destroys Focus builds, annoys CHs and TMs, demolish normal Mercenary and Blood Mage.



Still think STR is OP?

But in the case that a STR BH or TLM goes first, I cannot defend myself. By the time a shield is up and I start attacking, half my health is gone while they have 125...


Nice to have contributions such as yours wraith, yet I disagree towards how EMP helps.

i) Strength builds need not skills to depend on, their unlimited weapons suffice.

ii) EMP is ineffective on tlms and mage as you become trapped between removing and giving them energy.

iii) Str bh are just as effective without skills. Primary and sidearm with bloodlust is great, but they still in fact hit high.

iv) Focus users as I recall use robots as their main damage source, it DOES work well on mercenary and blood mage I must agree, but annoying ch and tlm is just about that. As a ch EMP does little effect on me, and tlms pretty much get annoyed, but it doesn't defeat them.

< Message edited by greenrain13 -- 11/19/2011 10:28:35 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 8
11/19/2011 10:12:07   
Wraith
Member
 

@Remorse: Some players have backups for EMP. However...by the time they do so, they wasted a turn as well as a booster, whereas I have the chance to attack them/extra defense turn.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 9
11/19/2011 10:40:49   
Remorse
Member

^ What I ment is most people follow up an EMP , with another mana drain, such as asim or atom smash.

In case of STR Builds The smart ones will follow it up wiht an atom smash leaving you without mana for sheilds UNLESS you are willing To waste ANOTHER turn turns which are greatly needed vs. that rock hard passive defence.
Epic  Post #: 10
11/19/2011 12:28:22   
Wraith
Member
 

@Remorse: Most Strength Tactical Mercenaries have 43 Energy. I have an EMP taking 40 Energy.

Oh, and did I mention I have more Dexterity than the average Tactical Mercenary AND I have Shadow Arts?

I'm not even gonna mention how useless Assimilate is.

And why would I bother EMPing Mages? I'd only do so if it was actually beneficial...




I will assume the "rock hard passive defense" is Hybrid Armor. I prefer battering away with continual Energy weapons. Smoking is useful, however, especially if I get EMPed/Assim'ed/AtomSmashed, since I can both Reflex and Smoke, causing a 70+ difference in Dexterity. If they choose to Assault Bot...well let me say that is such a waste of a turn.

< Message edited by Wraith -- 11/19/2011 12:49:13 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 11
11/19/2011 12:40:22   
PivotalDisorder
Member

technician, energy shield, defence matrix, hybrid, str, assimilate, static charge, EMP, atom smasher are all counters. EMP is one weapon, not the be all end all.
Post #: 12
11/19/2011 12:46:07   
rej
Member

actualy, the focus industry has finaly started making a comeback...

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
11/19/2011 13:12:58   
Remorse
Member

Wraith,
Who said the TLM has to atom smash you their first turn?

Also emping mages is extremely useful I used to do it to counter support mages with thier big heals, not so needed now xD

Epic  Post #: 14
11/19/2011 13:27:23   
nico0las
Member

We can blame no one but ourselves for a lack of creativity.

@Below If the larger portion of ED were creative, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We constantly imitate builds that work, they are deemed OP, nerfed, and we're back at square one.
People need to stop copying builds. Simple solution.

@Psi We don't all lack creativity. However, this problem stems from lack of creativity.

@Frost that's because each build is different. CH is a class you CAN'T copy, because it's designed to your play style.

< Message edited by nico0las -- 11/19/2011 16:01:22 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
11/19/2011 13:42:18   
Remorse
Member

^
Aint nothing wrong with creativty of people, alot if not most people are quite creative.

The problem is THE EFFECTIVENESS of creative builds, you can be the most creative person in ED yet youll still find it hard to make a usable counter for TLMs which isnt entirely based around luck.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 11/19/2011 13:43:23 >
Epic  Post #: 16
11/19/2011 14:51:28   
PivotalDisorder
Member

I refuse to take blame for lack of creativity. sorry.
Post #: 17
11/19/2011 15:11:42   
FrostHS
Banned


The only people that DON'T copy builds as bad are CH. I can think of 1 copied build, the multi build. other than that WE AREN'T COPYING NOOBS UNLIKE 99% OF THE FREAKIN POPULATION. BTW, EMP is almost useless, and doesn't bother CH's as we have SC that gains about 15-20 EP back. It's doesn't bother TLM because they have freakin reroute. Yet you think EMP is still decently powered? WRONG
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
11/19/2011 15:16:33   
Chosen 0ne
Banned


e.e I hate this age.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 19
11/19/2011 15:22:08   
Stabilis
Member

As a CH I charge 24 energy at a time and all of my skills are multiples of 12 energy. Its pretty tactical (hence the cliche'd pun).
AQ Epic  Post #: 20
11/19/2011 15:37:44   
Sparticus
Member

Wow, sadly I see such terrible misinformation I am forced to respond.
(everyone who knows me knows how I hate to respond too, )

EMP is not, I repeat NOT useless against CH with static charge and TlM with reroute.

Example: Moderate support allows you to go first a fair number of times, throw an EMP, make two powerful attacks, throw the second EMP, heal, go back into your cycle of two strong attacks with at least one with Rage.

That simple attack pattern will mess up most players. Advanced attack patterns with EMP pear out a few more. Bringing your win % up dramatically against those players.

EMP used correctly and stated correctly works great. Poor stats and poor energy management never work and no EMP is just plain silly.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 21
11/19/2011 15:42:11   
Stabilis
Member

^ Support is just tarrible, my nightwraith weapons' requirements force me to have it.
AQ Epic  Post #: 22
11/19/2011 16:05:10   
nico0las
Member

EMP is one of, if not the best skill in this game. It can, and has, kept plenty of hunters alive in countless battles. In my focus/dex builds, I use at least a -35 EMP to ensure my opponents not dealing damage. Not only that, but it has a 2 turn cooldown, so even reroute won't save you.


< Message edited by nico0las -- 11/19/2011 16:19:06 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 23
11/19/2011 16:12:16   
Stabilis
Member

And then they just smack you with a primary or gun.
AQ Epic  Post #: 24
11/19/2011 18:03:02   
supermasivo
Member

I think its BH age now, my tac merc is not really bad but every update devs keep keep keep nerfing tac mercs so now we all will change to STR/BH high lvl massacre... i could not believe when a 21-x STR dude took away almost 60 hp from me with a lvl-8-9-max massacre i was like 0_0 now every BH u see in 1vs1 is 20-21-22X str with high massacre and high HP builds... now ive seen a lot of tac mercs change to BH couse its extremely easy to make high damage with a noob str and a high massacre and ALLWAYS after a massacre u have a secure rage... Insane, and then we have Shadow arts... with a decent amount of dex u can block 2-3 times in a battle... SO I MADE A QUESTION RYT NOW who the h*** is the Oped class ryt now? Tac mercs? I dont think so.
Epic  Post #: 25
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