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11/24/2011 18:56:12   
PD
Member
 

@frogbones: I don't think the game's expensive at all (Note, I say think and not is because I personally do not believe it is in the context of what I am given). The main idea of my post was that you cannot call a game expensive nor cheap without context, which you have done. Also, I honestly don't see where expectations come in the great scheme of things because of the fact that AE is a private company and therefore has no obligations to serve nor people to serve. I for one enjoy a product of AE. Of course I think there's ways something can be better, but do I go up front and impose my standards on what I think is valid on someone? No, I don't. That itself is a fallacy. My standards and beliefs are different from yours.

If you would mind telling me where the idea of high prices and high expectations come from, is there any true basis that the two go hand in hand? I believe not. With Nexus's calculations, with the calculation of of 10.44K varium, or 59ish USD (Adjusted per inflation), can neither be called cheap nor expensive without context. And you're going to have to explain the context and prove that a certain number is true in a relative standard. How much is a lot when given no context? How much is expensive when given no context?

Expensive... how much is expensive? Does everyone agree on a certain value? If the context and sources behind the determination were on 0% deviation, then it'd be valid to call something expensive. But no, we have a wide margin of thought difference. But even that lies on intuition because it is an agreement and not a theorem.

Furthermore, can you specifically cite where it says we have a right to demand our money's worth (As in, demand change). As a private corporation we play under the rules of AE. Bill of Rights do not apply here. I'm not following the train of thought when it comes to that. How is there a correlation? Can you explain where the correlation comes from? And please use universally valid examples, not personal anecdotes. I'd rather arrive at a conclusion that is systematic and empirical rather than on gut feeling.

Furthermore, how can you look at something objectively when everything is subjective when it comes to balance?




What we are arguing is subjective itself. One might say the gap is too large (Because varium is too powerful in terms of what advantages it gives), and others might say it's fine (because varium is weak or fair in value in terms of what benefits it gives). We can argue all day when it comes to varium and it's value as well as the question of the gap length.

However, how things work with each other is no question nor debate. We arrive at a conclusion based on the hard evidence. Not on intuition.

< Message edited by PD -- 11/24/2011 18:57:05 >
Post #: 26
11/24/2011 19:06:02   
nico0las
Member

Prices definitely degrade this game. The prices they ask for in game are ridiculous. That hasn't stopped us from paying them, though, has it?
As some have already pointed out, we've been here before. We sit here, hour after hour, trying our best to improve the game. And for what?
Have we actually made a difference? We talk about so many things at once, the team can't decide which they have to improve.
If we all began to rant like the majority of the community did back during the first Tactical wave, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We need to come together and address one problem at a time. Simply pointing out, complaining, and moving on won't help us.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 27
11/24/2011 19:12:25   
Matrix77
Member

@nic, i agree with you, we the players complains about too many issues at once, and hardly unites on one single issue and ask the devs to fix that issue, we are always all over the place
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 28
11/24/2011 19:13:02   
goldslayer1
Member

@matrix
maybe thats because theres more than one problem going on?
AQW Epic  Post #: 29
11/24/2011 19:15:06   
Matrix77
Member

@gold, i dont disagree with you on that as that is a factual statement, however, should we not propose issue by issue, and have the dev fixes the issue than to throw all of those issues we have at them all at once?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 30
11/24/2011 19:20:11   
goldslayer1
Member

@matrix
Balance will always be an issue. some will complain about tlm. then some will complain about luck factors.
so my guess is, address the pricing first. (double the varium per package?)
idk how we're going to have this adressed.
but one things for sure.
artix will have to come here and talk to us himself. and that something that i never seen him do since i been on ED forums
AQW Epic  Post #: 31
11/24/2011 19:23:07   
Calogero
Member

Remember Tact merc?? Exactly

No matter how long we ' wait ' in the end they'll do the things we didn't ask for...
shure there are some things that are ' done'
but the important stuff like:
Varium pricing
Balance
Factions
and I can go on, they are just postponed as usual
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 32
11/24/2011 19:36:54   
Matrix77
Member

@gold, I understand that balance issues will always be there as this is a PVP game and in all PVP games, balance issues exist so that area will always need improvements on

as for doubling the varium per package, I don't think that is a bad idea nor a good idea either, I would rather much remain neutral with my judgement as there are many alternatives in regards to this. Ingame features cost a hefty amount of variums and the $50 package with 10k varium simply won't be sufficient with it, however some people have and is going through this process, buying those $50 package of variums all the time and they can live with it so I can't really say it's a good nor a bad idea, as if these varium packages were to be doubled like you said, many if not all the players that have bought $50 packages would want a double for all the packages they have purchased and then there goes the big debate

I believe we can try and come to agreement as a community on specific aspects of the game that needs attention the most and have a well written proposal send to cindy as seeing she is the link between the community of players and the devs, and have the devs considers the community's view and the urgency matters that we believe is important and needs to be fix accordingly in a timely fashion

Artix has never posted on ED forums....well none that I'm aware of
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 33
11/24/2011 19:37:00   
frogbones
Banned


PD: Sesquipedalian loquaciousness much?

EDIT: Wait, are you a college student double majoring in Stats and Philosphy?

... that would certainly explain a lot, lol.

;)

< Message edited by frogbones -- 11/24/2011 19:43:28 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 34
11/24/2011 19:42:24   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

however some people have and is going through this process, buying those $50 package of variums all the time and they can live with it so I can't really say it's a good nor a bad idea, as if these varium packages were to be doubled like you said, many if not all the players that have bought $50 packages would want a double for all the packages they have purchased and then there goes the big debate

well we spoke of this before.
and i have to ask, would u have double the varium for ur $50 after its released?
or would u rather have nothing because people are requesting that they get more varium for their past packages?
honestly i would go with the first option. y? because its atleast something.
and if someone does request their old varium to be reinbursed because of package buffs then IMO he is a noob.
i prefer to have double the varium for the future. than nothing at all.
AQW Epic  Post #: 35
11/24/2011 19:49:18   
PD
Member
 

@Frogbones: Close. Try Economics and Anthropology. I'm applying for college in the near future.

Loquiaciousness? That's flattering.
Post #: 36
11/24/2011 19:50:11   
Matrix77
Member

@gold, what makes you think ED would even consider this, seeing as they have not done so at all for the past year or more and surely this idea/suggestion should have been proposed before? X-MAS special giveaway perhaps? :P
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 37
11/24/2011 20:04:41   
goldslayer1
Member

@matrix
it has been proposed before, it was even forwarded by the devs themselves to the big boss. yet to no avail. because we got no reply from the big boss.
and the staff said they would try to do something about it.
because the prices aren't set by them, they are set by the big boss.
IMO i think they know the prices are messed up but they sold their rights to the game to artix so they have no power over prices.

point is, we should be bothering artix over this. not the ED staff.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 11/24/2011 20:06:08 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 38
11/24/2011 20:08:43   
rej
Member

i believe a player known as shadronica once made a very accurate comparison.
in a certain wizard-based 3D game (not at liberty to say the exact name due to advertisement laws) you can buy a package equivulant to a 10,000 varium pack for under 5 $. that simple statement right there should sum up Epicduel's pricing system.

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 39
11/24/2011 20:08:54   
Matrix77
Member

so basically you're saying that the "big boss" is using ED to blood suck money out of the players, while the rest of their games are given fair and quality upgrades/purchases for the different aspects and features of their games? cus as I see it, in AQ, DF, and AQW, the prices are quite fair considering the features and the different access that you are granted through your purchases....
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 40
11/24/2011 20:13:04   
rej
Member

^indeed. i would even say that Dragnofable's is more than fair. it's basicly a one time purchase of 20$ for unlimited game content access (excluding dc items)
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 41
11/24/2011 20:13:36   
goldslayer1
Member

@matrix
well thats one of the theories.
but remember artix doesn't play ED.
i dont think he knows whats it likes being a full var player trying to be competitive. or any of the AE staff. so to them 10k at non competitive and low lvl would seem alot.
AQW Epic  Post #: 42
11/24/2011 20:14:09   
nico0las
Member

@Matrix The difference with ED's players and the rest of AE's players is that we are FAR older than the majority of the other games' communities, for the most part.
What I'm getting at is that many of us have jobs, and can often enough afford to purchase our own varium, instead of asking our parent/guardian.
Maybe they are leaching us for money, and seeing as we haven't said anything about it, it still goes on.

@Below I know. I hate it. But, again, we can afford it. It's still a stupid excuse, but we spend, on average, more than the players of any other game.
If they choose to leach us for our money, well we should do something about it...


< Message edited by nico0las -- 11/24/2011 20:16:23 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 43
11/24/2011 20:15:06   
goldslayer1
Member

@nico
that still shouldn't mean we should be charged more than the other games.
AQW Epic  Post #: 44
11/24/2011 20:15:11   
Shadronica
Member

Well the pricing is not too hard to get sorted.

PD I am sorry hon but your argument about what is considered expensive or not simply doesn't hold water when you compare this game to others on the net.

I have given a small example from the game that I am currently playing in one of my above posts. I could go on to say all the perks I do get from that game but we are discussing ED.

We have all loved this game otherwise we wouldn't be bothered posting however ... there needs to be adjustments made and they are not coming with any haste at all.

The varium packs need to be adjusted for one. I feel that the varium packs should start at $5 and no more than $25 for the top pack.

I was not in favor of class changes however now they are here they should be made cheap enough for anyone to change whenever they feel like it.

The enhancements issue seriously needs a revamp and someone from the heirarchy should be strong enough to stand up and say "we are lowering the enhancements pricing however we will not be reimbursing previously bought enhancements" ... or ... "we are removing enhancements from any future purchases".

With the easing of costs to our enjoyment of playing this game the fun times will start to reappear.


I would just like to add a little extra to this discussion. I feel that if we had more player appreciation it would definitely help this game.

I would love to see everyone get a new armor given to them as they rise through the ranks both varium and non varium. It would be appreciation for being a loyal member. Commander armor, Warlord armor, Emperor through to Legend and on.

Imagine how proud it would make you feel to wear your new rank armor and better still it would be one you didn't have to buy!

Anyway those are my thoughts I am just a mere consumer. ;)

< Message edited by Shadronica -- 11/24/2011 20:46:04 >
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 45
11/24/2011 20:19:11   
Matrix77
Member

@gold, I THINK, personal opinion here, is that the "big boss" base ED's package prices like they base those of aqw's with the exception that with ED's packages, we aren't even granted the amount we actually should deserve or an amount that is sufficient enough for ingame purchases. $50 may not be a lot but comparing a $50 package deal of ED's to AQW's, I would pick AQW's over ED's anyday....
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 46
11/24/2011 20:19:20   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

"we are lowering the enhancements pricing however we will not be reimbursing previously bought enhancements"

well said.
whichever works best. getting the same 10k for $25 or getting double the amount for $50. or simply lowering the prices ingame.
either way i expect no reinburstment of any type as i am looking up to the future and not the past.
we can learn from the past so we dont make the same mistakes. but always looking into the future.

@matrix
well theres 2 ways to do it. buy 1 year of aqw membership with like 5k ACs.
or buy 2 packs of 3 months and 6k acs at $25 each.
either one is worth alot more and will last longer than the one in ED.
the 10k u get in ED is most likely to be gone a week or 2 after u bought it.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 11/24/2011 20:21:10 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 47
11/24/2011 20:22:45   
Matrix77
Member

@nic, I notice that most of you guys here are older players that can afford to play, but the fact does not change that there are younger players that plays this game and can in some ways ask their parents/guardian to purchase a package deal for them and in such an event, are they really getting what their $50 is worth in comparison to the other AE games?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 48
11/24/2011 20:29:07   
Matrix77
Member

@gold, agree, aqw's ingame ac currency spending is a lot lower than comparison to ingame spending of varium here in ED,

People may say, ED is a completely different game from AQW and the rest of AE games, and yup that is true, but dont forget one simple fact, ED along with the rest of AE games are all run by the same company. There is inconsistency in the fairness of the pricing of upgrades of ED compared to their other games.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 49
11/24/2011 20:30:37   
Cinderella
Always a Princess


The big problem with posts like this is that the average player is not privy to pricing discussions, which are done internally. I'm staff and I'm not even privy to pricing discussions! I don't have a good answer for you, beyond the fact that There is a vicious internal cycle with support (eg. More staff) and profit.
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