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12/16/2011 4:16:30   
Vendile
Member

In your opinion, what is in order from strongest class to weakest. (And please, no flaming about the Tact Merc Overpowered-ness)
My Opinion:

1st: Tact Merc
2nd:Merc
3rd Blood Mage
4th: bounty
5th: Mage
6th: Cyber
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12/16/2011 4:23:33   
Ranloth
Banned


 For me, it'd be as follows:
  • TLM - 3 skills make it already too OP, but I hope it gets changed sometime after Winter Event.
  • BH - Str BHs crush me most of the time on my Tank TLM, it's quite a class. :P
  • BM - While lacking in defence quite a lot - BL, Plasma and Fireball can be deadly combo for high Lvl BM. (yes they do tend to kill me with that as well.. :P)
  • Mercenary - Bunker, Multi and Hybrid are quite a combo, my 3rd has that build and it crushes opponents most of the time. :P
  • TM - My 4th is one, Lvl 26, and Support builds were the top until Heal got tweaked. Nevertheless, I was TM on my main sometime ago and I loved it and with good stats - I can win quite a tough fights. ^_^
  • CH - Unfortunatelly, only SA as passive isn't enough. They are competetive but at very high Lvl and I rarely get to fight one. Can be strong too with Massacre, but defence is crucial for them but fact Static is blockable makes it only harder.. >.<

    Well that's my opinion. ^_^

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    AQ Epic  Post #: 2
    12/16/2011 4:31:32   
    BlueKatz
    Member

    		TLM
    BH
    BM
    TM
    CH
    Merc
    AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 3
    12/16/2011 4:41:38   
    Remorse
    Member

    		I Agree with your list vendile.


    Mercs are extremely strong certainly not last.

    It just cuase they are too similar and overshadowed by TLMs plus easily tacken down by TLMs that makes them seems weak but I would still rank them second.
    Epic  Post #: 4
    12/16/2011 4:45:31   
    Jekyll
    Member

    		TAC MERC - Too many passives, skills to easy to reach.
    BOUNTY - Smoke, bloodlust, shadow arts and massacre is a good combo, not to mention focus builds.
    TECH MAGE - They are strong, but variety of builds is limited now, most are dex.
    CYBER - Strong if used the right way, just lacking a reliable passive.
    BLOODMAGE - Only class with no form of energy drain, most have to rely solely on strength.
    MERC - Anything the merc has, the tac merc has 2x better, at high levels its almost as if they dont exist.
    AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 5
    12/16/2011 6:07:13   
    endtime
    Member

    		From extensive experience, I would say:

    TLM - Essentially three passives (reroute, hybrid, and frenzy) with extremely high synergy in the skill tree.
    Merc - Because there are significantly less mercs due to TLMs being undisputably better, mercs seem weak. However, they are just as OP as when people complained about them before.
    Bounty Hunter - Good synergy between skills. Also, shadow arts and high dex is the best reverse strategy against the two strongest builds, str and focus TLM
    CH - The Shadow Arts advantage comes into play again. If static charge couldn't miss, this would be a solid class.
    Tech Mage - Reroute is the saving grace of this class. However, the lack of defense, especially since support has been nerfed has demolished this class.
    Blood Mage - A poorly put together class. There is really no coherent strategy in this class besides getting a ton of strength and hoping for an unlucky or unintelligent opponent who would fall for a rage berzerker.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 6
    12/16/2011 9:10:15   
    theholyfighter
    Member

    		Tactical Merc
    Merc
    Bounty
    Tech
    Cyber
    Blood
    AQW Epic  Post #: 7
    12/16/2011 9:46:49   
    Technical Time
    Member

    		1.TLM
    2.TM
    3.BH
    4.Merc
    5.BM
    6.Cyber

    Post #: 8
    12/16/2011 10:24:24   
    od
    Member

    		TLM
    BH=TM- Both classes are deadly, mages with their P E E combo that let's them malf, pistol
    then aux por massive damage. Bounty hunters have the smoke massacre build which makes them block a lot
    AND do damage.
    CH - Pretty good with constant ep regaining, but I find them quite easy as a bloodmage by out-hitting them
    since they cannot regain hp outside of field medic
    BM=Merc - As endtime said, blood mages are poorly put together. With No energy drain, we are hopeless when facing
    a mage supercharge build or bounty hunter smoke massacre. Another thing I'd like to point out is that our supercharge needs to stack with bloodlust, since the 30% life stealing that tec mages get is only 7-10% for us. Merc is a good class but lacks a second passive. I put them even because they are both missing something, BM with e drain and Merc with second passive. In fact, whenever I fight a mercenary it turns out to be a fairly even fight.
    On a scale of 5, this is how I'd rate each class:
    Tlm - 5.00
    TM/BH- 4.25
    CH- 4.00
    BM/Merc- 3.75



    < Message edited by od -- 12/16/2011 10:26:40 >
    Epic  Post #: 9
    12/16/2011 17:06:12   
    Stabilis
    Member

    		With random chance:

    TacM
    TM
    BH
    CH
    BM
    M

    Purely skill based:

    CH
    TM
    BH
    TacM
    BM
    M
    AQ Epic  Post #: 10
    12/16/2011 17:31:53   
    goldslayer1
    Member

    		i like how people put mercs as second...
    whatever made them seem "OP" in the past is now long gone.
    their str merc build was brutally killed and murdered several times with the diminishing returns of stats, the removal of +15% extra damage when enemy is stunned, and the nerfing of double strike and berserker (severely), aswell as the nerf of hybrid.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 11
    12/16/2011 17:47:14   
    Vendile
    Member

    		@goldslayer

    The hybrid nerf gave to TLM and Mercs gave them an idea to switch to a tank build. With the new bot, it stops them from using their sidearms and bazookas, which lets their oponents ONLY use abilities, robot, or strike, which seeing as the idea of Tanks, high defence is put in. Making the chances of blocking quite high.
    Post #: 12
    12/16/2011 17:48:13   
    Lord Nub
    Member

    		Wowzerss....So many mercs getting better than a last....I'm amazed considering they were never overpowered or even good for that matter...

    Old days?

    Sup = Aux, Arty, Tired and auto loss to anyone with exp.

    Str = No stun? Lose. Block zerker? Harsher loss.

    New days? Lol I don't see usefulness whatsoever with all the energy draining capabilities nowaday.

    List with absolutely no explanation why,

    TaM
    BH
    CH
    BM
    TM
    Crap
    Crap piled on top of crap
    Artix Entertainment Forums
    Newt Gingrich
    Umm...more stuffs...
    Merc

    AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
    12/16/2011 18:07:40   
    goldslayer1
    Member

    quote:

    The hybrid nerf gave to TLM and Mercs gave them an idea to switch to a tank build. With the new bot, it stops them from using their sidearms and bazookas, which lets their oponents ONLY use abilities, robot, or strike, which seeing as the idea of Tanks, high defence is put in. Making the chances of blocking quite high.

    a tank build for any class will work. same with focus. except mercs even with hybrid are still probably getting the lowest % and slower winrate.
    the old builds as Nub Described them, no stun? harsh loss (specially against str BH back then) block zerker? might aswell run and not waste time. as for support, after artillery and aux, if u didn't crit with something u would basically loose because of low defense.
    tech mages were good at dealing high damage to support merc with a high malf.
    and str BH could basically just keep striking and gain hp thru bloodlust.

    either way in the end any BH with EMP would screw the merc badly if he couldn't use artillery.
    same goes for str merc.

    < Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 12/16/2011 18:08:52 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 14
    12/16/2011 18:13:31   
    Vendile
    Member

    		Who says strength merc is the only build merc's could use? You could STILL use a nerfed version of a 5 Focus, only much Weaker. EMP would be so much help then.
    Post #: 15
    12/16/2011 18:16:54   
    Lord Nub
    Member

    		^ Sure would because how you going to regain hp and dish out damage?

    The nerfing stated here is a big one, Reroute. This must have been titan's way of thinking when introducing it together with Hybrid. Not understanding how powerful it is.

    AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
    12/16/2011 18:30:21   
    Vendile
    Member

    		With boosters? Problem? Mercs can dish out damage WITHOUT using energy, the only flaw is healing. With a combination with the bot and aux, the combo's power could be endless.
    Post #: 17
    12/16/2011 18:32:26   
    Lord Nub
    Member

    		^ Ok feel free to utilize that strat. Your entitled to that.

    TaM
    BH
    CH
    BM
    TM
    Crap
    Crap piled on top of crap
    Artix Entertainment Forums
    Newt Gingrich
    Umm...more stuffs...
    Merc
    AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
    12/16/2011 18:33:55   
    goldslayer1
    Member

    		@vendile
    that might work, but it wont even come close to a focus BH.
    and with blocks and luck factors happening these days i wouldn't be surprised if u only got about 80% WITH varium.

    < Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 12/16/2011 18:34:22 >
    AQW Epic  Post #: 19
    12/16/2011 18:38:21   
    Lord Nub
    Member

    		^ I can guarantee it would be less than that in 2v2 also. Anything higher and it's a rare occasion where no one is online and the good players are maintaining 97%+
    AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
    12/16/2011 18:42:36   
    Vendile
    Member

    		@Gold

    Focus BH has a high chance of using Gamma Bot, so its 5 focus vs 5 focus tank build. Hmmm, lets see, shall we?

    Most likely, BH will start off with EMP. Merc, continues to dish out damage with Unblockbles, and bot.

    Seeing as Merc will probably have more Dex than BH, Shadow Arts might even it up, or give BH advantage.

    BH will ONLY deal slightly lower attacks than Merc would, or with Shadow arts, even it up.

    Then merc will using bot special, and eat BH Unblockables.

    Just from here, you can see BH is off to a bad start, only with Bot, which recharges 3 turns, strikes, and almost no attack, except for maybe cheapshot, grenade, EMP, or MAYBE massacre, but with hybrid, not much damage.

    Edit: @Lord nub

    With tanky resis and dex, the opponent ALSO won;t dish out as much damage. Slowly making its way with aux and bot, the opponent will be later, overwhelmed by the aux, or maybe bot.

    Posts merge. ~Mecha

    < Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 12/16/2011 19:15:58 >
    Post #: 21
    12/16/2011 18:48:16   
    Lord Nub
    Member

    		^ Your assuming that your opponents are what? Both 29 non variums doing 3s constantly with no crits?

    Lol I haven't been in so many rough 2v2s since I started this game 2 years ago. The environment is so much different. Everyones varium and more times than not, nothing goes your way.

    A tank without heal is like stone in the middle of the ocean. Your gonna sink to the bottom.
    AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 22
    12/16/2011 18:49:17   
    Goony
    Constructive!


    		 ^ Just smoke them, problem solved ;)
    Epic  Post #: 23
    12/16/2011 18:49:47   
    goldslayer1
    Member

    		@vendile
    quote:

    Seeing as Merc will probably have more Dex than BH, Shadow Arts might even it up, or give BH advantage.

    LOLOLOLOL
    last i check, the smart focus BH uses 111 dex. with maxx shadow arts.
    if he smokes u he will have 40% block chance for sure.
    secondly no, ur average merc wont have more dex than a focus BH. any focus BH using less than 93 dex is newb and wont get good results. and if the BH starts he will definitely take atleast 30-35 energy with EMP.

    after that,

    quote:

    BH will ONLY deal slightly lower attacks than Merc would, or with Shadow arts, even it up.

    only slightly lower, but then their bloodlust basically nullifies ur damage , meaning in the long run its as if ur doing less damage. and since he will most likely block with such high dex, there are chance of BH gaining 15-20 hp by ur next attack that actually hits.

    quote:

    Then merc will using bot special, and eat BH Unblockables.

    u never specified a bot, but ok.

    quote:

    Just from here, you can see BH is off to a bad start, only with Bot, which recharges 3 turns, strikes, and almost no attack, except for maybe cheapshot, grenade, EMP, or MAYBE massacre, but with hybrid, not much damage.

    and if he EMPs u, all u have is robot, strikes, gun and aux. and the yeti special effect can only be used once. and im sure ur battle will last longer than 7-8 turns.

    and for my focus build, i try to keep using claws, while having a lvl 1 mass there just incase.
    and altho u may be second guessing urself, 62 str and a lvl 1 mass can deal 35-40 damage which the robot my not do in that turn.
    AQW Epic  Post #: 24
    12/16/2011 18:51:19   
    Vendile
    Member

    		And with half of the old EpicDuel legends are gone, do you think EVERYONE will understand how the game works?

    Over half of the EpicDuel are being populated with noobs, varium or not.

    And while sinking to the bottom, only 2 classes can energy drain, 1/3 chance. Most people testing out the new classes, Blood, Tact, and Cyber(Cyber rarely)
    So mana will be still conserved.
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