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2/27/2012 10:24:36   
m16dern warfare
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after the massive over 9000 nerfs, its been increasingly harder to get wins with tlm? also there is a lack of build options, seems the only thing now is str build, which everyone uses.
mages with their bloodlust and malfunction combined with high str seem the be the better class
what do you guys think?

i don't really play epicduel much anymore, mainly make vids on my youtube channel

m16dernwarfare
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
2/27/2012 10:41:16   
Remorse
Member

The nerfs arnt to blame.


All classes and all builds are basically limtied to being a power build ( A Build which forces the oppoenent to etheir outdmaage them quickly of play defensive from the very begginging) or a tank.

TLMs do have few options yes however they are lucky enough to have both tank and Power builds options, but lets think of all the other classes for a minute....

BMs...... Only considerable usable build is STR.
TMs.......Only considerable usable is Supercharge dex.
BHs.......Only Considerable usable build is STR
Mercs....not even worth going but my guess is STR.
CHs...... Like the TLMS CHs have both the tank and powerbuild option.

What problem you are expercing is a poor control of balance and serious stat problems due to enahmnets.
And a lack of counters to powerbuilds, Infct the only sucseful counter is going one yourself hence why all classes and all builds have been minimised drmatically in options and variety.
Before TLMs nerfs, They were extremely oped in the fact they could actuly pull off many types of builds and the limitation has braught themdown but still abovel the rest apart from the newcomers CH which are now braght to the same Oped level as TLMs hence it may seem TLMs are worse but infact now they are actuly beatable in practical ways.

It is a mircale TLMs and CHs can pull of the tank builds, they can because there skill trees are so oped to start with.

I could start going on about what needs to be done, but youl find all that in my Million unaswered nor aknowldeged discussions in the balance discussion thread.

-Remorse Less.


< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/27/2012 10:47:54 >
Epic  Post #: 2
2/27/2012 10:50:28   
midnight assassin
Member

^Defensive bh beats str. But sad to say many players abuse str sacrificing their dex.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
2/27/2012 10:56:23   
Remorse
Member

^I was a defensive BH for a LONG time.

And I dont think thats exactly true...
I dont know were you get that picture from, If you are playing as a defensive BH and this is true then I would be shocked,

But if you just got unlucky versing some then its no suprise but the story is MUCH diffrent when you play as one, dont belive me just try.

Yes you may get a few lucky blocks to save the day a few times, but alot of the battles you dont get the needed blocks and guess what, SAY bye in 2 seconds flat! xD
Especially now with azreal, STR TLMS can smoke you and not even your reflex will give you the high block % back because they just azreal it...

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/27/2012 10:59:07 >
Epic  Post #: 4
2/27/2012 10:57:41   
midnight assassin
Member

^I mean it depends. But maybe I'm lucky that I only encounter bh with high support but low def.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
2/27/2012 11:01:45   
Remorse
Member

No matter what BH can not get as high defences as those Tank builds with Passive armour and its because of that they are practically forced to go the Quick kill method to attempt to kill before they are killed.
I have a passive armour and a Tankish build and I still cant handle most STR builds intense power so I dont know how you think BHs can.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/27/2012 11:03:14 >
Epic  Post #: 6
2/27/2012 11:06:07   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

^Defensive bh beats str. But sad to say many players abuse str sacrificing their dex.

dex doesn't matter. lower dex person will hit, and if u an unlucky person, it doesn't matter how much dex i have.
i get blocked by those with near the same dex or lower. its all the same.
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
2/27/2012 11:07:42   
midnight assassin
Member

^ And that's how luck will enter this topic.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
2/27/2012 11:10:14   
Luna_moonraider
Member

well i m enjoying myself as emp bh with high tech hehehe fun build but idk if it is good. gotta disagree with the topic here because tlms are still one of the so called oped class and yeah most str tlm kill most ch if they get lucky and all their strikes hit.

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AQW Epic  Post #: 9
2/27/2012 11:14:38   
midnight assassin
Member

Sometimes I feel like my emp will be useless especially at ch because of their static charge.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
2/27/2012 11:17:55   
King FrostLich
Member

Honestly, TLM has a very flexible build that can be easily made including Cyber hunters as well.

< Message edited by King FrostLich -- 2/27/2012 11:24:27 >
Epic  Post #: 11
2/27/2012 11:31:39   
Remorse
Member

quote:

Sometimes I feel like my emp will be useless especially at ch because of their static charge.


EMP is one of the best skills to use agianst CHs.... Even though it doesnt seems like it.

Al lyou have to do is pefect timing, plan it a few turns before you do it,

Hit them when they either have to wait for static cool down or they need to heal that turn but cant.
Or if you have enough energy for 2 emps,

Alot of CH dont plan there energy effecintly nor think of what could happen if its tacken, these are faults I like to play agianst them.

Emping the statring round and once agian before the masacre always tricks them, I also use this method agianst supercharge mages who think a mana boost will save them muahahhaha!

Not many people know that you can actuly pull of 2 emps before they use there super move if you start!


< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/27/2012 11:34:01 >
Epic  Post #: 12
2/27/2012 11:36:14   
Oba
Member

quote:

mages with their bloodlust and malfunction combined with high str seem the be the better class


Say what now? Tech Mages have malfunction, but not bloodlust. Blood mages have bloodlust, but not malfunciton.

In my opinion though, is TLM the class that most effective builds that can be made. Tank. STR. Support. Poison build.

< Message edited by playarn -- 2/27/2012 12:19:13 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 13
2/27/2012 11:38:38   
Remorse
Member

^

techMAGES

bloodMAGES

Im pretty sure that statment ment, mages combined skill have either High STR and blood lust or malfunction high str...

But I disagree with the statment,

TLMs have reroute, passive defence, SMOKE and combined with azreal bot unbeatable power when they start!
Team mages are by no means better.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/27/2012 11:39:25 >
Epic  Post #: 14
2/27/2012 11:53:05   
Stabilis
Member

Worst you say?

If instead of trying to make a str build (frenzy not as available), try a 5 focus build. That way, skill requirements do not affect you and you can use the class to it's fullest potential.

Its sad but true.
AQ Epic  Post #: 15
2/27/2012 12:22:47   
Oba
Member

@Remorse. So what he is saying is that Str Tech mage is stronger then TLM? If so, I dont know if this is a troll...
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 16
2/27/2012 12:56:30   
Remorse
Member

^ I think so yes...
Perhaps they ment Supercharge build???
Epic  Post #: 17
2/27/2012 14:41:40   
Lord Machaar
Member

Absolutely not agreed with that, Try a tanky tank TLM and tell me if you still losing, Str TLms are good also and i still get some losses from them even i admit that CH is Op class.
MQ Epic  Post #: 18
2/27/2012 15:00:16   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

Im pretty sure that statment ment, mages combined skill have either High STR and blood lust or malfunction high str...

But I disagree with the statment,

actually if the 2 were to combined, and bloodmage had malf, it would have a decent support build.

mainly due to its defensive skills which both run on support. both can be nullified by azrael bot easily tho, and lately thats been happening alot. some tlms take azrael instead of assault bot, against tank CH if they use Dm the tlm uses azrael.
in the end tho, it still very weak towards energy drainers.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 2/27/2012 15:01:05 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
2/27/2012 16:01:58   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

Yeah..... no. TLM is such an easy class to make builds with.
AQW Epic  Post #: 20
2/27/2012 19:02:11   
rej
Member

quote:

after the massive over 9000 nerfs, (two real nerfs, actually) its been increasingly harder to get wins with tlm? also there is a lack of build options, seems the only thing now is str build, which everyone uses.
mages with their bloodlust and malfunction combined (Lol, what game are you playing, boy? In ED, there are no classes that have both Malfunction and Bloodlust) with high str seem the be the better class
what do you guys think?

i don't really play epicduel much anymore, mainly make vids on my youtube channel

m16dernwarfare


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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 21
2/27/2012 20:38:55   
Wraith
Member
 

 Dude.

You have like 1500 wins.

Get some more experience then talk again.

Seeya :-)
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 22
2/27/2012 22:26:40   
AQWPlayer
Member

^
Lol you're one to talk, having less wins than me.
LolJk, you got a point there xD
AQW  Post #: 23
2/27/2012 22:31:38   
Mr. Black OP
Member

^
And you're one to talk too, I have more overall wins than you AND more stars AND I'm a lower level too which is kinda sad. People these days sheesh.
Now time to wait for comicalbiker to show up and make me sad,

< Message edited by zman 2 -- 2/27/2012 22:32:25 >
Epic  Post #: 24
2/27/2012 22:39:13   
DeathGuard
Member

@Zman2: Quite arrogant from your part, you being a varium user while AQW player being a tech mage nonvarium player, just calm down ok?

@On topic: If TMs had so many variable builds as TLM and a good tree arrangement, it would be an excellent and fun(currently) to play with. I must tell you it is quite sad to stick to SC builds all the time and if you try other build, you may get crushed.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 25
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