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12/13/2012 6:31:58   
goldslayer1
Member

@remorse
NPCs aren't cheating >.> they were put in the game for this reason.

bad part on the Dev's part was not adding team and jugger NPCs to make it even.

yes its a pvp game, but not everyone always wants to fight players only.
AQW Epic  Post #: 26
12/13/2012 7:46:07   
Remorse
Member

Yeh they were put in for a reason,

People to gain gold if they fall behind and not to spam to brag about how good your ratio is.

Otherwsie the devs woundnt be removing that now would they?

Plus you will never ONLY have to fight players only but why should beating something when you couldnt possibly lose count as a win?


Its like saying Im a professional COD player because I can beat the Bots on novice e.e


< Message edited by Remorse -- 12/13/2012 7:50:41 >
Epic  Post #: 27
12/13/2012 7:53:47   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

Plus you will never ONLY have to fight players only but why should beating something when you couldnt possibly lose count as a win?

ill have u know i lost to many NPCs.

it seems the issue here isn't NPCs awarding wins, its NPCs not being hard enough to be on par to players.
AQW Epic  Post #: 28
12/13/2012 7:58:15   
Remorse
Member

Bot wins should never count on a battle record of a PvP game.
That is basic common seance and Im glad the devs finally realize this.

If you are so keen on the idea of hard NPCs then I support a SEPARATE player records stating win/lose ratios against said harder NPCs.

But i will never support grinding for bragging rights on PVP game.
Epic  Post #: 29
12/13/2012 8:02:47   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above yeah people complain about them thats why, and @goldslayer1 i see that you changed to the powerful bloodmage after i beat your BH so many times, and this is another reason, human nature is also involved in this, people want wins thats why they change to the class that beat their current class or builds that beat their current build, players want others to think that they are pros because they get more wins than loss by NPC farming and others, while others like me want balanced and fair gameplay that is fun without all these OP and uncreative build makers that spam the same set of button every battle. i think the reason they remove the wins gained by NPCing is to steer players into doing pvp battles, not alot of people doing 2v2 these days, maybe they are all busy farming NPCs.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 12/13/2012 8:04:06 >

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MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 30
12/13/2012 8:08:13   
goldslayer1
Member

@remorse
well "bragging rights" are pointless to begin with.
u do things like dailies, get on all time for "bragging rights" and people end up disliking u instead.

anyway, yeah NPCs were a mistake, but why hate the players for doing something that was put in the game?

its like hating a player for dueling in a pvp game. :/
AQW Epic  Post #: 31
12/13/2012 8:08:33   
Mother1
Member

@ remorse

Only juggernaut mode has been NPC free. You just got back but if anyone played in the infernal war they got to fight NPC for 2 vs 2 as well. IT was only for a short time but you could do 2 vs 2 with NPC or against them.
Epic  Post #: 32
12/13/2012 8:11:24   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

i see that you changed to the powerful bloodmage after i beat your BH so many times, and this is another reason, human nature is also involved in this, people want wins thats why they change to the class that beat their current class or builds that beat their current build, players want others to think that they are pros because they get more wins than loss by NPC farming and others, while others like me want balanced and fair gameplay that is fun without all these OP and uncreative build makers that spam the same set of button every battle. i think the reason they remove the wins gained by NPCing is to steer players into doing pvp battles, not alot of people doing 2v2 these days, maybe they are all busy farming NPCs.


u say that as if i only want to use the OP builds, and grind NPCs.

perhaps u didn't see me change from BH to tech mage first. before i became BM.
u should probably mention u are also the all powerful OP bloodmage.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 12/13/2012 8:14:13 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 33
12/13/2012 8:20:40   
Mysterion.
Member

Well, i think im the only one that uses a TLM for 1vs1.
Wit my jugg build btw.

But i sure am against NPC grinding, its about time the 1vs1 records show there real battle records.
Only because of them, they dont believe the battle records of others that do are good.
Just because i have a +90% win ratio they call me a NPC farmer, and it really makes me mad since i really dont.

Some people are good at it, and they are called NPC farmers, even if they arent.
Thats why the NPC grinding should be deleted. So the people that are good will get noticed.
Epic  Post #: 34
12/13/2012 8:26:01   
Mother1
Member

@ mysterion

While I can agree with you that it does get annoying to hear that why not just ignore them? You know that you didn't NPC grind so why should you care if everyone else thinks otherwise?
Epic  Post #: 35
12/13/2012 8:43:49   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@goldslayer1 nah you just didnt read it correctly, plus i did mention i changed to bloodmage but only because i was a cyber hunter for 6 months and i want to see how often bloodmage wins in a typical 1v1 battle against some other OP builds, you are also a frequent class changer and i see that, but the point is im strongly against NPC grinding and using OP builds(that means im gonna change back to a cyber hunter real soon, im sick of winning so many times with bloodmage) and im against all-time leader board reset since no matter if they grind NPC or use a OP build/class atleast they spent their time on it, while those that hardly catch up wants to rid their month's of work, when omega comes no one will have a chance of getting free wins off NPCs and that is a great thing.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 36
12/13/2012 8:49:27   
goldslayer1
Member

@trizz
and no NPCs in omega will only make it harder to get on all time boards.

theres a possibility that 1 vs 1 becomes much less popular due to the balance in influence.

right now solo gives 5 influence, team and juggernaut give 15 (my suggested influences BTW)

however the difference in influence rewards took into account the hourly NPCs.

which is what made it possible to get around 40 wins an hour with almost any build.

without NPCs, solo battles will be much slower, and team and juggernaut may award more influence per time.
AQW Epic  Post #: 37
12/13/2012 8:57:45   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above not really sometimes solo battles end very quickly, and atleast you need to think in solo battles against other players, with NPC you just need to click the same set and order of the buttons.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 38
12/13/2012 9:00:39   
goldslayer1
Member

@trizz
yeah low lvls and non vars, but vs someone with as many stats as u, chances are that match goes to 6+ rounds.
specially with tank vs tanks.
AQW Epic  Post #: 39
12/13/2012 9:12:17   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

the longer the battle the better actually, more luck factors involved and more ways to think about your strategy.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 40
12/13/2012 9:40:46   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


 With the focus on pvp for victors in Omega, it will change the landscape of player choices. It will be interesting to see how the community will adapt.

The leader board will change from late 80+% win ratio to a 40-70% victory ratio. And as this system is understood, more quality balanced builds will be created for that sake of better match play.

NPCs will still have great use, for many players, as a work tool for credits, so the value remains.

Using NPCs for easy wins, everyone had access to this feature, and the NPCs provided great multi-tier (credits, exp, influence, record) enjoyment. NPCs were economical in those factors, and had become a part of faction/personal strategy. Everyone will have varied opinions of their use in regard to the same value as direct pvp play. It was part of the game system, and like EpicDuel, these npcs have evolved with the game.

Happy Omega to be.

The All-time term is interesting for it has been a staple since all the phases of the game. It is like a history book. :)


< Message edited by Elf Priest JZaanu -- 12/13/2012 9:48:27 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 41
12/13/2012 10:00:43   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

ok... im too lazy to type what im about to say because it has the same point as jzaanu, so yeah what @Elf priest jzaanu said.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 42
12/13/2012 10:41:29   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

Using NPCs for easy wins, everyone had access to this feature, and the NPCs provided great multi-tier (credits, exp, influence, record) enjoyment. NPCs were economical in those factors, and had become a part of faction/personal strategy. Everyone will have varied opinions of their use in regard to the same value as direct pvp play. It was part of the game system, and like EpicDuel, these npcs have evolved with the game.

thats pretty much what i been trying to say.

but the annoying part is people saying NPCs are free wins and that they are easy
when 1. we're varium players (the majority anyway) 2. on average, the npcs we challenge are 4-5 lvls lower than us.

i highly doubt u guys would say they were easy if they had ur same caliber gear, along with the same or higher lvl.
AQW Epic  Post #: 43
12/13/2012 10:47:10   
Remorse
Member

Elf priest explains very nicely

Much nicer then I could anyway but my excitement is the exact same :)

But im sure the LB would be a bit better then 40-70%
The good thing is strategy builds will most likely return since power fast builds usally arnt that good at maintaining a high win % due to luck effecting them worse.

Which means more people with strategy builds will make for a lot more enjoyable pvp games, at least I hope anyway.
Epic  Post #: 44
12/13/2012 10:54:02   
Mysterion.
Member

@Goldslayer1

I still found them easy when i was a lv 29.
I beated all the NPCs that give a Cheevo at lvl 29. (Except George Lowe & Armor Hazard)

So no, from lvl 34 they are definetly a free win.
Epic  Post #: 45
12/13/2012 10:58:47   
goldslayer1
Member

@mysterion
were u varium and using higher lvl gear?
please keep in mind that back in gamma, there was no way an NPC like big tuna (known for its crazy luck) would be a good NPC for hourly grinding.

also, most of these NPCs have non var gear, and no aux.

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 12/13/2012 11:00:24 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 46
12/13/2012 11:12:25   
Mysterion.
Member

@Goldslayer1

Yeah i had var, and i had lvl 28-32 gear.
And now you say this, dont you think it is a free win?
You already say more points to confirm my statement, then your own actually.

Npc have (for a lvl 35 farmer):
No rage
No aux
No var gear
Always 4-5 lvls lower
Same moves every battle
All stats can be seen before battling.

So, it is definetly a free win for 35s, you cant denie it.
Epic  Post #: 47
12/13/2012 11:47:16   
Angels Holocaust
Member

I foresee a lot of players leaving the game once the npcs are removed. The problem with this game is that everything is disclosed to the opposing side. I'm just going to wait and see which class or skill is the most oped and then switch. When you enter a battle, you should never be able to see what your opponent has in store for you. Who is foolish enough to flaunt all of their special techniques? If the devs want true skill to be in ED, then they should make all of our skills and attacks hidden, a battle is supposed to be won on who is the most prepared, not who has the most disclosed information.

The only reason why people are getting mad at the removal of the npcs is because of the win ratios. Just get rid of win ratios along with npcs. The win ratios are half the problem, we have too many perfectionists in this game. Seeing as how the luck factor has never improved since beta, removing our win ratios is the way to go. Players will be free to use whatever skill they choose in the Omega update.
Post #: 48
12/13/2012 11:51:31   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 @Mysterion

You can say that its Partially a free win but its not.
Everyone had equal fairness to battle an NPC, If they choose not to, then its there problem.
Even the Lower players had a chance like defeating. There are so many NPC to fight and everyone is still complaining?
Let me just list all of them down

Administrator 11, Alydroid, Anya, Arctic Guard, Armor Hazard, Baelius, Big Tuna, Bio Guard, Bio Hazard, BombBot, Brachylagus, Brunson, Caden, Capensis, Charfade, Cinderella, City Guard, Electro Hazard, Exile Footsoldier, Exile Soldier , Fenris, Frost Reaper, Gamma Guard, George Lowe, Habuki, Hank, Heavy Bio Guard, Heavy Guard, Heavy Mechachillid, Heavy Mine Guard, Junker, Junker 2.0, Kimberly, Krampus Technician, Krampus Warrior, Legion Footsoldier, Light Desert Guard, Light Mechachillid, Maia, Marauder, Marauder Hulk, Medium Mechachillid, Mine Guard, Mirv, Negawraith, Nightwraith, Overlord Guard, Oz, Rabblefroth, Selina, Shadow Guard, Slayer, Snork, Talia, The Lawman,Titan, Valery, Yeti Hulk, Ylwa

And you chose not to farm any of those NPC?
Look at all of them. There are many low level ones which the low levels can do and many high level ones that you can do.
So you cannot just say that its a free win. You should know that everyone had a chance to battle NPC's (Till Omega).
Everyone had the right to battle. Maybe the low levels didn't know which low level NPC they had to battle. I would say the easiest are The Mechachillids, City Guard, Junker. Those are like the easiest for the low levels. Why couldn't they battle. And get free wins?

quote:

So, it is definetly a free win for 35s, you cant denie it.


Its not when your at 35. Every single person in ED had a chance to get free wins. I have proved you wrong, look at the list I gave you and think which are the Low levels so the 'Low level F2P players' can battle and get free wins like us 35's. EVEN!!! When the EbilCorp thing was happening, there were different level ninjas for you to fight. Every single person had the right to fight and have free wins but you people that complain saying that ' Bot wins should never count on a battle record of a PvP game. ', It was your on fault for not battling and Every single person had a 'freedom to battle' But chose not to..............

Sorry for kept saying Every. Just had to put it in your heads.
Epic  Post #: 49
12/13/2012 12:04:57   
Stabilis
Member

I have no problem with this update.
AQ Epic  Post #: 50
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