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12/29/2012 17:17:23   
He Who Lurks
Member

I know they're players out there who feel debased by the amount of losses they may have procured over time so why not allow an option for players to hide them?

I've heard the counter-arguments towards this idea i.e,

1. What would be an incentive to actually want to win in a battle? 2vs2 would be chaotic.
2. EpicDuel is a PvP game. Taking losses out would ruin this experience.

So here's my idea. When a player reaches a high amount of wins such as 20,000, they should gain the option of hiding their record. It's a simple idea but effective nonetheless .

I'm interested in what the community has to say about this idea.
AQ Epic  Post #: 1
12/29/2012 17:24:36   
Mother1
Member

Not supported. There are some people who recruit people based on wins and losses. Someone with a bad record but has 20k wins could hide their record making this harder for those looking for member in this fashion.

Plus anyone who is playing for fun wouldn't really care about this. This feature would be for more of those players who obsessed with their records more then having fun as well.
Epic  Post #: 2
12/29/2012 17:46:41   
He Who Lurks
Member

If you wanted to recruit someone based on their wins and losses, then why not politely ask for them to unhide their stats ?

Also, how does your second argument abate my suggestion exactly? Sometimes, players are picked on cause' of their records. This would be a great relief to those players. You're point about playing for fun contradicts your other statement about faction recruitment. If you believe that "playing for fun" is essential in EpicDuel then why bring up that point?

How exactly does this idea hurt the game in any way? Please give clearer reasons as to why you think this would hurt the game.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
12/29/2012 17:59:55   
Stabilis
Member

This makes the game a bit more mysterious. *puts on a scary mask* I support the suggestion.
AQ Epic  Post #: 4
12/29/2012 18:03:01   
Mother1
Member

@ he who lurks

I wasn't talking about for myself when say these things. I just happen to know some people who recruit players based on their battle records.

Some people recruit based on records, while others recruit for other reasons. The first one would affect those who choose to recruit based off of battle records for people who have over 20K wins.

As for the second one this idea wouldn't affect people who play for fun. I know many players who play for fun and don't care about their battle records hence the reason why they wouldn't feel the need to hide them. However the people who are overly obsessive (which in honestly isn't healthy) about records and see wins as a banner of shame would only want this. In other words it would help the overly obsessive people hide their shame which as I said before isn't healthy.

But yeah it does revolve around the second your second reason some as well.
Epic  Post #: 5
12/29/2012 18:15:37   
Q...Q
Member
 

 There is no need to hide people loses.
ED is a game based competition.
I never seen a game hiding peoples kills or deaths even if you hAve a 3-21 record every single games
I know people will say its not the same game type but it shows high,middle and low players
Not supporting

< Message edited by Q...Q -- 12/29/2012 18:20:03 >
DF Epic  Post #: 6
12/29/2012 18:19:58   
He Who Lurks
Member

Okay Mother1, thanks for explaining. However, don't you think this idea would be beneficial for those who are overly obsessive about their records? They no longer have to be as obsessive since their record is no longer shown.

How can I convince you, Mother1 to side with my suggestion :)?

QQ, I can name more games that don't show your wins/losses than games that do. Also QQ, wins/losses do not show how capable people truly are. You can have 10000 losses and 3000 wins but still be a great player after being more battle competent. Losses/Wins should not dictate how great you are but your abilities as a great duelist.

< Message edited by He Who Lurks -- 12/29/2012 18:30:35 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
12/29/2012 18:29:44   
Q...Q
Member
 

 @above

Hiding the record wont make them actually have a better one afterall...
they will still care about thier record even if its hidden. Which doesnt make a diffirence if its hidden or not
And about people that going to show thier record before joining a faction is a not a fun suprise when the player looks good but he aint . So it wont help the player getting in a good faction
DF Epic  Post #: 8
12/29/2012 18:38:59   
He Who Lurks
Member

Why would a player be obsessed with their record when it's not viewable? That seems very unlikely and a very weak argument as to why this idea shouldn't be implemented. Also, the purpose of this suggestion doesn't immediately correlate to helping a player join a faction. Just because Vitamin C doesn't have the same benefits as protein does on your body doesn't mean it's useless.
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
12/29/2012 18:51:05   
Mother1
Member

@ He who lurks

quote:

Losing went from being our faults in Beta to the game's in Gamma and Delta, I didn't deserve to lose, 75 percent of my losses were given to me from the faulty RNG. A loss is a scar on my character, and it just looks wrong. Remove our losses and only keep track of wins, since our direction is moving towards AQWORLDS, we might as well have their system of no losses in place.


Here is a quite from one of the people Q...Q is talking about.
Epic  Post #: 10
12/29/2012 19:03:44   
Q...Q
Member
 

 @he who lurks


Hidding the record wont help the obsessed people. Thing you dont understand is even if a record is hidden the plAyer will still be obsessed in a way because he will be losing anyway. This suggestion doesnt help at all.

The other sad thing is that im on a iphone so its hard to actuAlly make my text more clear

< Message edited by Q...Q -- 12/29/2012 19:06:27 >
DF Epic  Post #: 11
12/29/2012 19:21:10   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

One flaw I see in this is that only players with bad ratios will hide them for the most part so they are still identifiable.
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
12/30/2012 7:08:53   
Yianman
Member

Not necessarily Prince of Shadows because warlords and such players might want to hide their stats so the other person think they're easy.

I support this idea, it would make the game a lot more suprising.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
12/30/2012 7:36:45   
theholyfighter
Member

How about this:
Exchange 10 wins for 1 loss.
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
12/30/2012 7:42:14   
RageSoul
Member

How about this :

Remove both Losses and Total Battles , then we'll all be happy .
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
12/30/2012 9:56:39   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 How about leave it like it is.
You lost because you werent good enough.
Dont blame the RNG, sometimes you also won by the RNG so.

Stop crying about your record, you lost get over it.

And for lord aegis, never gonna happen, if it not shows you record, whats the purpose to win or lose?
Everybody wont give a crap and screw there partner.
If total battles will be removed, alot of people will be pissed of and ragequit the game (also me).
Its a game, it is supposed to show who is good or bad.

< Message edited by Sr. Zeph -- 12/30/2012 10:00:13 >
Epic  Post #: 16
12/30/2012 10:12:11   
Remorse
Member

Not supported,

People need to get over the fact you gonna lose battles and not feel ashamed.

Why are people suddenly obsessed with removing/hiding loses? They dont bite...

They are simply a part of the history of your character.


If I see someone with losts of loses I dont immediately assume they are bad, in most cases I just look at how creative their builds is as a judge of character.

By the same token If I see someone with an amazing 1v1 ratio I am probably far more critical since it means they probably NPCed most of their wins.


People should have nothing to be ashamed at, If people doubt your smarts and you think they are underestimating you, Then prove it fights against them, not by spamming NPCs.


Plus not everyone is amazing at this game, If I sore someone with the loses hidden then that's probably worse then having a bad record you can see, because it just shows you are ashamed of your efforts.



Anyway enough ranting from me, Carry on.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 12/30/2012 10:13:51 >
Epic  Post #: 17
12/30/2012 11:35:42   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

not supported, simply because people need to get over themselves with win/loss obsessions, it is there to add a little more purpose in PVP and can help us identify who is a botter, if you hide it, it will make faction founder's job more difficult to choose a good recruit.
it is just a game that you should enjoy, not feeling ashamed or embarrassed about yourself because you have poor record.

and as remorse said, win/loss doesn't matter, all it matters is that players enjoy themselves and made up fun/unique builds(which will soon be copied and used throughout the game if it is good enough)

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 12/30/2012 11:38:01 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
12/30/2012 19:11:25   
tad55
Member
 

 not supported. this game is based on PvP, if you have a bad record then that's your fault
Post #: 19
12/30/2012 20:06:23   
Waxor9001
Member

Unsupported, this would remove the purpose of the game.
Epic  Post #: 20
12/31/2012 1:30:36   
RageSoul
Member

quote:

And for lord aegis, never gonna happen, if it not shows you record, whats the purpose to win or lose?
Everybody wont give a crap and screw there partner.
If total battles will be removed, alot of people will be pissed of and ragequit the game (also me).
Its a game, it is supposed to show who is good or bad.

Everybody who's forced to go into OPed builds and non-OPed build users are already pissed Zeph , even during early Delta . And wait , why would Win Ratio judge a person's skill and worse , him/herself ? Isn't that the reason people copy builds and piss other people off? Wins are wins , loss is loss , does it matter if people can only see your wins ?

< Message edited by Lord Aegis -- 12/31/2012 1:32:46 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
1/1/2013 10:32:20   
arthropleura
Member

For 50k var then SURE.
Bloody, yknow wats gonna happen? They will be classified under a term such as noob and I can tell you right now, it ain't Gon' be pretty. Besides, I DO NOT want a noob without knowin he's a noob
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 22
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