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2/10/2013 6:31:07   
Mother1
Member

@ silver

all varium players were once non variums as well before omega started. Those who didn't like it and could upgrade did. Those who couldn't well they could. So even though it may seem like it all varium players felt what non variums felt some time ago.
Epic  Post #: 301
2/10/2013 9:45:35   
Hun Kingq
Member

DeathiZClarity, first you post your tank build which can a Blood Mage have +10 more defence at no energy cost, no. Can a Blood Mage steal 30+ points of energy, no. Can a Blood Mage regain energy over and over again, no. Can a Blood Mage get enough health back with 40 less damage, no. I switched t a 5 focus tank Blood Mage and get eaten alive but support and strength builds Tank builds of hybrid classes are just as bad but takes longer to beat because of too many weak skills and that they can steal basically all my energy with the assistance of energy shot. But my post was targeted at Blood Mages. “But I have found a Tactical Merc build that puts most strength mercs begging for (merc)y” Then your next post “Me neither. Thats why I don't bother going for championships, although its fun to try to get on the leaderboards for the first few minutes.
I play epicduel in my freetime, but yeah, it might change soon if the strength abuse doesnt tone down.” You got made so are you making them beg for mercy or are you getting slaughter but it is quite clear you are losing more than 5 because you put an angry icon.

isaiahfish90, First you say you get 83% win percent than you write “Sorry but im not going to waste my day getting 500 1v1 wins, i only play about 2-3 hours a day... but that is going to change to 30 minutes a day soon if not fixed.” Than you put this “Yes my strategy tortures mercs and tech mages, but bounties dispatch me about 55% of the time.” So it quite clear by your post you are losing a lot more than you portray.

Today I did the mission against George Lowe with my 5 focus tank build he got moderate damage and constant crits so I increased my dex (defence) and his damage on me increased with even more crits same with Yeti Hulk. It was worse when I used Level 9 Reflex Boost.

So you get punished more for having high defense and resistance in this game than any other stats when I always thought having more defense and resistance meant you get less damage but I guess it means that you will get more damage with 0% of blocking or deflecting.
Epic  Post #: 302
2/10/2013 10:18:24   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 @Hun Kingq

Anyone who uses a focus build against George Lowe in this phase is quite frankly not exactly the greatest mind around.

Besides, assuming that isaiahfish gets beaten by BHs about half the time and that about all his losses arises from battles with said class, then BHs should constitute about 17%x2=34% of his opponents, which is about right. By cursory observation, mercs, BMs and BHs constitute about 60%-70% of the current metagame, so anything like ~75% of losses due to BHs and ~25% of losses due to others (i.e. about 13% and 4% of battles respectively) sounds about consistent with his reportings. Though I am very curious about that non-strength BM build he has there.

And just because DeathZClarity put an 'angry face icon' doesn't mean he's actually angry, or that he's angry because of losing. The entire point of emoticons is to convey one's opinions in a humorous way. He might be annoyed because strength builds are giving him a hard time (albeit not usually defeating him) or because they're so common it's becoming frustrating fighting cookie-cutter builds.

Is it really so hard to accept that there are people out there that are way better than you are at battling? For instance, no one in their right mind would ever use a Reflex Boost as high as level 9. Level 5 is borderline, Level 7 is pushing it, especially for George Lowe, but Level 9 is just silly.

< Message edited by Silver Sky Magician -- 2/10/2013 10:27:19 >
Post #: 303
2/10/2013 13:12:06   
isaiahfish90
Member
 

 I am not currently a blood mage :P i switched builds about 3 days into omega because i finally had the chance to try something i have wanted to for awhile
Post #: 304
2/10/2013 15:48:24   
Mother1
Member

@ hun

Use the frost weapons on him. Those make him a piece of cake big time especially since blood mage has blood lust.

@ sky

I used a focus 5 build on george lowe and I beat him quite easy since I had the frost weapons. didn't have to do anything but strike, heal when needed to, and use my gun and aux.
Epic  Post #: 305
2/10/2013 16:36:05   
DeathiZClarity
Banned
quote:

DeathiZClarity, first you post your tank build which can a Blood Mage have +10 more defence at no energy cost, no. Can a Blood Mage steal 30+ points of energy, no. Can a Blood Mage regain energy over and over again, no. Can a Blood Mage get enough health back with 40 less damage, no. I switched t a 5 focus tank Blood Mage and get eaten alive but support and strength builds Tank builds of hybrid classes are just as bad but takes longer to beat because of too many weak skills and that they can steal basically all my energy with the assistance of energy shot. But my post was targeted at Blood Mages.


Sir, clearly you mistunder stood me. I said I had the build on my alt, a tactical merc. And you didn't specify 'a blood mage counter build for strength abusers'. I was sharing my build for a tempurary balance against the strength and support builds until it is a bit more balanced. Now, let me re-write this phase may I?

DeathiZClarity, first you post your tank buid which can a TACTICAL MERC have +10 more defence at no energy cost, YES. Can a TACTICAL MERC steal 30+ points of energy, (first off, i never said i stole 30+, i stole just enough so they couldn't use berserker) and yes, they can still 30+ energy with high enough atomic smash. Can a TACTICAL MERC regain energy over and over again, YES. Can a TACTICAL MERC get enough health back with 40 less damage, YES.

I was not pointing out my build for bloodmage, you could of simply ignored my post, for it had no convienence to you. Next time be a bit more logical.

Edit:
quote:

Actually the current situation is the same as it has ever been for non-variums (the non-enhanced ones), just better. Looks like varium users are starting to feel how it is in our shoes :P

Not to say that improvements don't need to be made though, because they clearly do.


I was a nonvarium for a very long time, till level 35 to be infact. The current situation is nothing like nonvarium's in delta. The current 'balance' is nonvar's vs Variums, not builds. But soon enough it will be balance, then they will unbalance it, and so on. Dis-balance is a form of income if you think about it, the more often they chance the op class, they more variums (as most people use to switch) are going to be spent to change to that op class.

Posts merge. Please don't double post. ~Mecha

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/10/2013 20:42:33 >
Post #: 306
2/10/2013 17:04:48   
caser5
Member

I can't wait for them to unlock "rare" cores, I have the delta maul&sword and I'm stuck with a wimpy support debuff as an active core in stead of meteor strike. Also I'm noticing that Tact. Mercs seem under Powered, they can't do all out str builds like mercs, do to a lack of Resistance Hybrid Skill and a lack of berserker, they also lack Malf or Smokescreen, which are somewhat OP due to their link to tech&dex. Thoughts?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 307
2/10/2013 17:10:44   
Mother1
Member

@ caser5

They already said in the design notes that some weapons will never be able to have their cores removed for the sake of them keeping their identities. I might be wrong, but I believe rare legacy items would fall under that one as well as promos.
Epic  Post #: 308
2/10/2013 17:22:27   
caser5
Member

Well I guess I gotta sell/never use my Delta stuff because their active core really sucks.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 309
2/10/2013 18:49:19   
DeathiZClarity
Banned
quote:

I can't wait for them to unlock "rare" cores, I have the delta maul&sword and I'm stuck with a wimpy support debuff as an active core in stead of meteor strike. Also I'm noticing that Tact. Mercs seem under Powered, they can't do all out str builds like mercs, do to a lack of Resistance Hybrid Skill and a lack of berserker, they also lack Malf or Smokescreen, which are somewhat OP due to their link to tech&dex. Thoughts?


Trust me, tactical merc is NOT underpowered. I tend to use a counter-build against strength with my tactical, 5 focus, with surgical strike, energy shot, atomic smash, and heal.

Edit: But if your lvl 35 and would like to follow the crowd and abuse strength, get 150 health, double strike, reroute, heal, and mineral armor.
I would suggest max mineral armor, all armor stats on resistance, lvl 9 double strike, max reroute, lvl 8 heal, and what ever is left on deadly frenzy.

Posts merge. Please don't double post. ~Mecha

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 2/10/2013 20:40:42 >
Post #: 310
2/11/2013 0:14:59   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 @Mother1

quote:

@ sky

I used a focus 5 build on george lowe and I beat him quite easy since I had the frost weapons. didn't have to do anything but strike, heal when needed to, and use my gun and aux.


Did you do it in Omega or pre-Omega? In any case, I think it's definitely an uphill task to beat George Lowe at this point with a focus 5 build and no frost weapons. If one does have frost weapons, beating George Lowe shouldn't even be an issue. An extra 25 damage per strike is no joke.

@Clarity

quote:

I was a nonvarium for a very long time, till level 35 to be infact. The current situation is nothing like nonvarium's in delta. The current 'balance' is nonvar's vs Variums, not builds. But soon enough it will be balance, then they will unbalance it, and so on. Dis-balance is a form of income if you think about it, the more often they chance the op class, they more variums (as most people use to switch) are going to be spent to change to that op class.


Sorry for not clarifying my statement; I meant non-varium vs non-varium pre-Omega balance.
Post #: 311
2/11/2013 0:19:26   
DeathiZClarity
Banned
quote:

Sorry for not clarifying my statement; I meant non-varium vs non-varium pre-Omega balance.


Oh ok, :P then I agree.
Post #: 312
2/11/2013 5:19:43   
Hun Kingq
Member

Silver Sky Magician, I put pressure on those two players especially Blood Mages or any players that say they have no problem with strength abusers or support abusers then turn around and say they are have problems. I have seen more Bounty Hunters and Cyber Hunters in battle than any other class so your calculations are your own assumption, unless you have access to Epic Duel server logs which I doubt you do, so using your assumption data to prove a player is right can not really prove they are right. While I am doing missions I am doing tests of skills at every Level to see how effective they are or how weak they are and right now the Blood Mage skills are pitiful and need either to be changed out or greatly improved.

isaiahfish90, I am glad you finally admitted that so now everyone knows you are not a Blood Mage.

DeathiZClarity, I only addressed your post because you put your win rate at 97.5% , when can you win half a battle and counts .5%, and you brag one minute about your build then you complain the next about strength abuse. So make your choice so that it can help staff make the appropriate changes.

Mother1, I am the only player that I know of that beat George Lowe multiple times as a Blood Mage and Tech Mage with non-Frost weapons before Omega update with a combination of skills, weapons and strikes. When I beat him recently was with non Frost weapons, Energy eggzooka, Stun Blaster, and Omega Obliterator. When I have problems beating George Lowe it is a problem within the stats, equations, skills of the Blood Mage, and if you want to increase strength or support to increase you damage and limit his critical damage he gets more non critical damage because of your low defense and lack of deflection, then when you increase your defense and resistance then he gets constant critical damage.

I am hoping this week we will see changes make a difference in battles that we will actually see blocking more often, that we will see other skills in the Blood Mage skill tree being able to make a difference in battle especially the multi.
Epic  Post #: 313
2/11/2013 5:32:38   
DeathiZClarity
Banned
quote:

DeathiZClarity, I only addressed your post because you put your win rate at 97.5% , when can you win half a battle and counts .5%, and you brag one minute about your build then you complain the next about strength abuse. So make your choice so that it can help staff make the appropriate changes.


Just becuase I have a good win rate against them, doesn't mean their shear numbers, and strategy it takes to beat them isn't annoying. It IS annoying, which is why I posted the complaint.And .5% doesnt mean half a battle. For example and proof, look at leaderboards, almost all of them have a **.* percent.

And also, bloodmage skills arent underpowered, they are actually quite usefull if you use them right.
I use a heal/bloodlust/bludgon/deadly aim. and 3 main cores: Meteor Shower, Energy shot, and generator.

< Message edited by DeathiZClarity -- 2/11/2013 5:38:08 >
Post #: 314
2/11/2013 8:14:31   
King Helios
Member

quote:

DeathiZClarity, I only addressed your post because you put your win rate at 97.5% , when can you win half a battle and counts .5%, and you brag one minute about your build then you complain the next about strength abuse. So make your choice so that it can help staff make the appropriate changes.


97.5% = 195/200

Or if you want, you can round it up to 98%. :)
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 315
2/11/2013 15:50:22   
isaiahfish90
Member
 

 I had a blood mage build for the first 3-4 days of omega that got a 83% w/l. Please do not call me a liar again or I will contact a moderator about having your account banned for slander and flaming.

EDIT: Also, a .5 means 195/200 or such numbers. AND Blood mage skills are stronger then TLM skills. I just do not use skills no matter what class I use(besides bloodlust/reroute.) Furthermore the reason you are having trouble is because you are probably not using the skills strategically and you are looking for pure damage. This route is stupid for any class besides BH. So with your complaint all classes besides BH are unpowered. Another reason I disagree with you is I see so many unique and good blood mage builds it has become one of my favorite classes.

< Message edited by isaiahfish90 -- 2/11/2013 15:54:15 >
Post #: 316
2/12/2013 1:34:46   
uria9
Member

It's not so much as what classes are dominating, it's strength builds that has been dominating. Back in the old phases strength used to be just a win farming machine from weak players , now it's just a stupid build that easily dominate over any other builds and has no answer against it other than luck.

Guy using strength : oh you block ? I'll just hit you for 40+ strike damage next turn even though you have 30+ defense without you blocking because the system is broken.
Post #: 317
2/12/2013 2:56:08   
comicalbike
Member

dissapointed with omega and will not be competing in the Yeti tournament
Epic  Post #: 318
2/12/2013 12:30:57   
St. Raven
Member

@ comicalbike

I agree with you, just to many over powered mercs
Post #: 319
2/12/2013 12:35:07   
Smackie El Frog
Member

Yeah this latest patch is the worst. We were better off without it honestly. All it did was give str abusers more energy and more health with no downside apparently. I don't see how that was a BALANCE patch considering how much it UNBALANCED the game...

I'm with you Comical. If this doesn't get changed why bother doing the tournament. Might as well rename it from "Golden Yeti Tournament" to "Who Can Land Their Max Berzerker First Tournament"

< Message edited by Smackie El Frog -- 2/12/2013 12:36:00 >

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2/12/2013 12:39:47   
Ranloth
Banned


 Good. The less people, the better. Thanks guys for not competing in the Tournament!
AQ Epic  Post #: 321
2/12/2013 12:40:14   
DeathiZClarity
Banned
quote:

"Golden Yeti Tournament" to "Who Can Land Their Max Berzerker First Tournament"


LoL Yes ^.

But your also forgetting about support techmages are also OP.

My current TLM can easily counter mercenaries, but not techmages.
Post #: 322
2/13/2013 3:00:27   
SouL Prisoner
Member

I wanted to say this from quite long time, but i keep forgetting.

Please remove class requirements from weapons. I wanted to buy few staffs, but i cannot buy, and do not wish to class change now just to buy the staffs :/

So please remove that(class) requirement. I don't think it will harm anything in anyway.




quote:

Yeah this latest patch is the worst. We were better off without it honestly. All it did was give str abusers more energy and more health with no downside apparently. I don't see how that was a BALANCE patch considering how much it UNBALANCED the game...

I'm with you Comical. If this doesn't get changed why bother doing the tournament. Might as well rename it from "Golden Yeti Tournament" to "Who Can Land Their Max Berzerker First Tournament"



i just don't get this. You complain that mercs with Strength build are OPed, and ofcourse you that, then y don't you also change to merc?? prob solved. Then you w=both will be equal... I know this way the variety would be dead, but that the solution to avoid all this complaining ... and happy playing :)

< Message edited by SOuL Prisnor -- 2/13/2013 3:04:53 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 323
2/13/2013 3:03:08   
theholyfighter
Member

^
However, if we're able to buy it, a notice should pop up and said that "You can NOT equip this item after purchase. Are you sure you want to buy it?" or something like that.
AQW Epic  Post #: 324
2/13/2013 3:05:27   
SouL Prisoner
Member

^Yup, like it did before :)
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 325
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